[88751] in tlhIngan-Hol
Re: tato'eba' yImuv 'ej mu'tlheghmey tImugh!
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Robyn Stewart)
Fri Feb 4 19:51:37 2011
Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2011 16:36:04 -0800
To: tlhingan-hol@kli.org
From: Robyn Stewart <robyn@flyingstart.ca>
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=ocQFrNjz2k1mYhijjC=bSDH5z07JHrK7jOY-X@mail.gmail.c
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Reply-to: tlhingan-hol@kli.org
At 15:02 04/02/2011, you wrote:
> > That would be a known and previously problematic
> > Canadian/US "o" difference. My spelling was
> > derived from listening to the clip several times,
> > not looking at the transliteration. When I say
> > poS and American will hear puS, even though I
> > pronounce the o in poS the same way I pronounce
> > the o in mosaic. Seeing as Okrand is American,
> > I'd better go with American ears, though.
> >
>
>Well, it doesn't have to do with ears but rather with the mouth. 中 is
>pronounced with a [u] or [ʊ] (full IPA:
>[ʈ͡ʂuŋ ~ ʈ͡ʂʊŋ]. The spelling is
>missleading. There's no "o" sound in the first syllable. I didn't hear any
>Chinese dialect pronounce it with "o" either.
The sound that for you falls squarely within the
province of "u" is within the range that of "o"
to a Canadian. We worked out back at qep'a'
wejDIch that we draw the o/u boundary in a
different place. It's the reason Americans hear
us saying aboot, and, probably, moosaic. I'm
accepting the American range as the Klingon one,
but that is what is going on. Because the
Canadian o goes that far, I hear all sounds in
that range as o. Because the American one
doesn't, they hear the more closed end as u.
>Yeah, but still, should the country be something like {'InDIya'} (English)
>or rather {barat} (Hindi)? Difficult to say. It's not identical in these
>languages.
jIHvaD nIb. pImchugh, the difference isn't one
that can be expressed with Klingon vowels and consonants.
http://www.forvo.com/word/india/#hi
