[88707] in tlhIngan-Hol
RE: nom qetwI'
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Steven Boozer)
Mon Jan 24 16:49:13 2011
From: Steven Boozer <sboozer@uchicago.edu>
To: "tlhingan-hol@kli.org" <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 15:35:38 -0600
In-Reply-To: <0AF46AA9-A871-4435-9898-7E1C5DABB17D@gmail.com>
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Quvar:
>> I thought about an adjectivial use of an adverb. I know, this sounds
>> strange. Perhaps it's a concept that nobody thought of, or it just
>> doesn't work... ?
ghunchu'wI':
> It was thought of, thoroughly discussed, and dismissed. I was on the
> "it works for me" side for a while, but I eventually realized it only
> worked for me when *I* said it. When someone else tries it, it doesn't
> work for me at all.
Quvar:
> That's what I thought. It's probably an internal brain error translating
> and adverb as an adjective: nom qetwI' is more like a quickly runner
> [sic], not a quick runner.
> you convinced me, an I convinced myelf. it was just a thought :-)
lojmIt tI'wI'nuv:
> For me, the issue relates to the boundaries limiting the reach of the
> suffix {-wI'}. A suffix like {-meH} or {-mo'} or {-bogh} can drag
> adverbials along for the ride because they define clauses. {-wI'}
> doesn't form a clause. It just nominalizes a verb. It doesn't
> nominalize a whole clause. Just a word.
Quvar:
>> Here some examples, that might or might not work:
Instead of using the {ADVERBIAL VERB+wI'} pattern for a noun phrase, you can *sometimes* use the various adverb-like verb suffixes:
>> {nom qetwI' SoH}
>> "you are a quick runner"
? qetqu'wI' SoH
We've seen {-qu'} used on a verb of motion:
nom yIghoSqu'
Maximum speed. ST5
but one example doesn't establish a pattern. (Has it appeared on any other verb of motion?)
>> {tlhoy SopwI' ghaH}
>> "he's a too-much-eater"
? Sopqu'wI' ghaH
>> {not jeghwI'}
>> "a never surrenderer"
? jeghQo'wI'
>> {pe'vIl tlhutlhwI'}
>> "forcefully drinker"
? tlhutlhqu'wI'
?? tlhutlhchu'wI'
But the problem with {-qu'} "emphatic", {-chu'} "perfectly, properly", etc. is that each of us probably won't understand them the same way. Would a *{qetqu'wI'} be someone who runs very fast? someone who runs too hard? someone who runs too much?
OTOH some suffices may work very nicely. *{qettaHwI'} works nicely for a "long-distance runner, marathon runner". E.g.
qettaH
He/she keeps on running KGT
--
Voragh
Ca'Non Master of the Klingons
