[88506] in tlhIngan-Hol
Re: QISmaS
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (R Fenwick)
Sat Dec 25 11:33:11 2010
From: R Fenwick <qeslagh@hotmail.com>
To: <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 02:24:27 +1000
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ghItlhpu' loghaD, jatlh:
>tay poHvam botIvtaH 'e' vItul.
poH DatIvba'mo' SoH jIbel je jIH.
taH:
>yul ram tay vItIvqu'pu'. nughmey law' lurDechmey wIDuD yul ram wIloptaHvIS.
>juHmajDaq yeSuS ghu' HewHom tu'lu', 'ej retlhDajDaq tera' «goat» HewHommey
>mach tu'lu'. no'ma' nugh «tomte» qa' HewHommey retlhmeyDaq «Coca-Cola»
>Senta' tlhaweS HewHommey tu'lu' je.
Daj! lurDechmey ngo' lurDechmey chu' je boDuDbej. {{:)
wej QISmaS wIlopta'qu' maH. Do'Ha' DaHjaj ghoSlaHbe'pu' be'nI'wI', loDnalDaj
lorloDwI' je (Qupqu' lorloDwI' - Sochwen boghpu' - 'ej ghaHvaD lenglu'meH
QatlhtaH), vaj DaHjaj (26-DIch) QISmaSHey wIlop. nItebHa' 'uQ'a' wISop.
vutwI' po' ghaH SoSwI''e'. targhHey gham, bo'Degh je vut; 'oQqarmey QImmey je
vut 'ej DuDlu'pu'. 'ey. naDev SaH Soch nuv. QaQ 'uQ'a' 'e' vIHar. QaQ je jaj
'e' vItul. ('ej SISbe'choHchugh jIbelqu' - SoDchoHpu' naDev vIDabbogh! tun
'ej yIQ yav; charchoH. ghun je muD. Australia QISmaS 'oHbej...)
{poD}
>...'a tay'taHghach 'oHtaH yul tay qolqoS'e'. qolqoSvammo'
>tay Dun 'oH.
Dunba' tayraj! povlaw'.
(And you know, I just have to say that that's a really nice use of the word
{qolqoS}. Poetic, almost.)
jIghItlhpu' jIH, jIjatlh:
>My understanding of the verse is that "only" in "only begotten son" is in
>the sense of "sole, single, alone" rather than "merely, just", isn't it?
>I'd have used {mob} instead: {boghpu'bogh puqloDDaj mob nob}.
mujang loghaD:
>Calling his son "alone" doesn't quite sit right with me, either, though.
The way I think of it is that because {mob} is modifying {puqloDDaj} in the
clause referring to the birth, rather than the one referring to God giving
up his son, I was thinking that whoever read it would naturally connect {mob}
in their minds with the being born, because that's the phrase it's part of.
Actually, now that I think about it, it could be clarified by adding a bit to
it, something like:
{loDnI' be'nI' je Hutlhqu'bogh puqloDna'Daj mob'e'}
his only true son, who truly lacked brothers and sisters
QeS 'utlh
