[87650] in tlhIngan-Hol
RE: qoSwIj
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Steven Boozer)
Mon Jan 11 15:07:34 2010
From: Steven Boozer <sboozer@uchicago.edu>
To: "'tlhingan-hol@kli.org'" <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 14:04:35 -0600
In-Reply-To: <20100108235242.80672kqcpokh3q04@letter.sics.se>
Errors-to: tlhingan-hol-bounce@kli.org
Reply-to: tlhingan-hol@kli.org
Voragh:
>> If you insist on using a non-numeric complement with {pIq} -
>> although I don't recommend it - there's a better one available:
>> {'op} "some, an unknown or unspecified quantity" (n.) which precedes
>> the noun it modifies according to our one example:
>> [...]
>> So perhaps you could say:
>> ? 'op pIq pab qab vIlo'be'
buSwI':
>Right. I was unsatisfied with the alternatives. But we're not after a
>raw number as complement? I thought we were after a duration
buSwI':
>I also notice you removed my {-taH}; I thougt it was appropraite to
>express that I would avoid the bad grammar continuosly, not just at
>some occasions.
Actually, I removed the {-taH} just to keep the focus on the time element, not the nature of the action thereafter.
>>> Of course, I could give up on saying "in the future" and go for {tugh
>>> ...} which yields {tugh pab qab vIlo'be'taH} ("soon I will not be
>>> using bad grammar").
>>
>> I think everyone will agree that {tugh} works here and, in fact,
>> this is how I would do it.
>Athough it seems to be a goal receding into the distance, I did mean
>to say "from now on I will not be using bad grammar", rather than
>"sometime in the future..."
Considering other ways of getting your meaning across without a time stamp...
I will stop using bad grammar.
pab qab vIlo' 'e' vImev
{mev} "stop, cease"
pab qab vIlo' 'e' vIbaq
{baq} "terminate, discontinue"
I intend to no longer use bad grammar"
pab qab vIlo'be'(taH) 'e' vIHech.
Okrand has used "no longer" in one of his translations only once:
HQ 10.2:10-11: {roS} "use the third toe" is phonetically identical to {roS} "lick" as well as the {roS} found in {roSHa'moH} "paralyze". The verb for paralyze consists of three elements: the verb {roS} (of unclear meaning), {-Ha'} "undo", {-moH} "cause". Thus it may be literally translated as "cause to no longer {roS}" or "cause to un-{roS}" or the like.
Notice that he didn't use {-taH} here either.
I will no longer use bad grammar.
pab qab vIlo'be'choH
pab qab vIlo'choHbe'
Not sure of the order of suffixes, but {-choH} "change in state/direction" may well be the solution here as {choH} focuses on the change: I used to VERB, but no longer (not anymore).
--
Voragh
Canon Master of the Klingons
