[87530] in tlhIngan-Hol
Re: {-ghach} revisited (yet again!)
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Alex Greene)
Tue Dec 15 16:24:29 2009
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 21:21:26 +0000 (GMT)
From: Alex Greene <fiat_knox@yahoo.co.uk>
To: tlhingan-hol@kli.org
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> From: Steven Boozer <sboozer@uchicago.edu>
> Subject: {-ghach} revisited (yet again!)
> To: "'tlhingan-hol@kli.org'" <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
> Date: Tuesday, 15 December, 2009, 17:26
> naHQun:
> >> <-ghach> is a whole different story all
> together.
> >> Simple rule: Don't use it unless you know what
> you're doing.
> >> [snip]
> >> For most of us, this means don't use -ghach except
> for words found in
> >> the dictionary, until you have a really good feel
> for it.
> Chris:
> >It's funny that you say that, because the sense I got
> from that
> >interview (?) with Okrand is that -ghach is ubiquitous
> and ends up on
> >all kinds of words. Not some (e.g., bare stems),
> but a whole lot. I
> >hardly think saying "don't use it unless you know what
> you are doing"
> >is the message that Okrand is conveying there...
> Whoa... hardly "ubiquitous"!
> Except for the TKD section on {-ghach} (TKD 4.2.9 IIRC?)
> and an interview about using {-ghach} in HolQeD (HQ 3.3) -
> where you would expect to find isolated examples, properly
> and improperly formed - Okrand actually uses it in only ONE
> sentence (i.e. {quvHa'ghach} "dishonor"):
> qaStaHvIS wej puq poHmey vav puqloDpu' puqloDpu'chaj
> je quvHa'moH
> vav quvHa'ghach
> The dishonor of the father dishonors his sons and
> their sons for
> three generations. TKW
> Although theoretically productive, {-ghach}'ed nouns are
> almost never used in "authentic" texts. Perhaps such
> nouns strike the average Klingon warrior as recondite,
> sesquipedalian or even cacophonous, which would explain its
> eschewal. <g>
Other than the examples given in the books, what examples have occurred here among the members of the KLI which have been considered "accepted practice?"
