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Re: The topic marker -'e'
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (David Trimboli)
Wed Nov 25 18:10:30 2009
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 18:08:41 -0500
From: David Trimboli <david@trimboli.name>
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Christopher Doty wrote:
> I don't get -vaD as being "for the benefit of," just "for, intended for"...
>
> I'd say
>
>> yIHvaD may' 'oH may' quvHa''e'
>
> Would be "As for a dishonorable battle, it is a battle for tribbles
> (as opposed to, say, warriors)" instead of
>
>> As for a dishonorable battle, it is a battle, for the benefit of tribbles.
>
> as you said. Am I still missing something here?
TKD p. 28:
-vaD for, intended for
This suffix indicates that the noun to which it is attached is in
some way the beneficary of the action, the person or thing for whom
or for which the activity occurs.
So "being a battle" {may' 'oH} is done "for tribbles" {yIHvaD}. The
intended recipients of "being a battle" are tribbles. I used "benefit"
in the sense of receiving an action, not necessarily that good would
accrue to the tribbles. In other words, "beneficiary of the action."
If by "it is battle for tribbles" you mean that only tribbles are low
enough to bother fighting it, then you've got to rework the sentence in
some way; it doesn't mean what you're trying to say. "A dishonorable
battle is a battle that tribbles should fight" contains no idea of
tribbles receiving the "action" of being a battle. The bit about the
tribbles only modifies the word "battle."
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