[86376] in tlhIngan-Hol
Re: pIqaD bom
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Michael Roney, Jr.)
Wed Jul 29 15:33:29 2009
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 15:31:08 -0400
From: "Michael Roney, Jr." <nahqun@gmail.com>
To: "tlhingan-hol@kli.org" <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
In-Reply-To: <de5ff8770907291209w5f68937fi21111fc98eddb100@mail.gmail.com>
Errors-to: tlhingan-hol-bounce@kli.org
Reply-to: tlhingan-hol@kli.org
Ah yes. "x" wasn't printed.
I see it now.
I also see that "and" isn't in the lyrics and therefore not taking up a note. Do we just force it in the melody then?
This is much easier to wrap my head around with the music in front of me.
Thanks!
~naHQun
-Michael Roney, Jr.
Professional Klingon translator
http://twitter.com/roneyii
--Sent from my Palm PrēRenee Scherer wrote:
Woops--I think that qagh- is more popularly known as "x".
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On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 3:01 PM, Michael Roney, Jr. <nahqun@gmail.com>wrote:
> Interesting. You placed qagh- on a previously unknown-to-me note.
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> I'm starting to think that no one sings this song the same way (I was
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> -Michael Roney, Jr.
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> > > On 7/29/09, Michael Roney, Jr. &amp;amp;lt;nahqun@gmail.com<amp%3Bamp%3Blt%3Bnahqun@gmail.com>
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> > > >>A,B,C,D,E,F,G. (Twinkle twinkle little star)
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University of Michigan
