[86278] in tlhIngan-Hol
RE: tlhIngan Hol vItIv 'ach bong Qaghmey vIgher
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Steven Boozer)
Thu Jul 16 09:51:20 2009
From: Steven Boozer <sboozer@uchicago.edu>
To: "'tlhingan-hol@kli.org'" <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 08:41:48 -0500
In-Reply-To: <3D2C9CD3-301C-4363-BCBC-C3EAE5D2484A@alcaco.net>
Errors-to: tlhingan-hol-bounce@kli.org
Reply-to: tlhingan-hol@kli.org
qe'San ((Jon Brown)) wrote:
>> The overall feeling I want to get across is "I enjoy the Klingon
>> language.. and this is despite the fact that I keep making
>> mistakes along the way"
>>
>> Is there a way to express things like "even though", "even when",
>> "despite" in Klingon or even work arounds to get that across?
ghunchu'wI:
>How does {'ach} "but" not work for your meaning?
Some examples of {'ach}/{'a} "but, nevertheless, even so, however":
notlh veS... 'a tugh manotlhchoH je maH
War is obsolete... as we are in danger of becoming. ST6
quv Hutlh HoHbogh tlhIngan 'ach qabDaj 'angbe'bogh
A Klingon who kills without showing his face has no honor. TKW
nI'be' yInmaj 'ach wovqu'
Our lives burn short and bright. (Anthem)
nab Hutlh 'ach vang
He/she lacks a plan, but he/she takes action. KGT
HovpoH Hut vagh cha' wa' vI' jav Dujvam 'aghlu'pu' 'ach
Qaw'lu'pu'
[This ship was demonstrated on Stardate 9521.6 but it was
destroyed.] (SkyBox S33, not translated on card)
qaSuch vIneH 'ach narghpu' 'eb. jIpaSqu'.
I want to visit you, but the opportunity has escaped. I am
very late. (i.e. "I was too late to visit you") (st.k 1/98)
You could replace "but" with "although, even though, even when, despite" in some of these translations with no appreciable change in meaning. Note too that {'ach} is sometimes not even translated into English.
--
Voragh
Canon Master of the Klingons
