[85974] in tlhIngan-Hol
Re: [KLBC?] word order and sentence in General.
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (David Trimboli)
Thu Jun 25 13:27:34 2009
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 13:25:50 -0400
From: David Trimboli <david@trimboli.name>
In-reply-to: <c23.63a21e4f.3775007f@wmconnect.com>
To: tlhingan-hol@kli.org
Errors-to: tlhingan-hol-bounce@kli.org
Reply-to: tlhingan-hol@kli.org
MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com wrote:
> In a message dated 6/24/2009 16:47:00 Eastern Daylight Time,
> qlingon@xs4all.nl writes:
>
>> qavan, ghoj[moH]wI'pu' QeDwI'pu' je
>
> Since your email was directed at many people, the I+you plural prefix {Sa-}
> would be better:
>
> Savan! ghoj[moH]wI'pu' QeDwI'pu' je.
Quite right!
Savan, ghojmoHwI'pu' HaDwI'pu' je.
> If this verb is placed after the noun phrase, it makes a sentence with
> object and verb, a more cohesive and unitary structure, assuming that the
> object, which is nominally third person, can be used as the object of a verb with
> a second person object prefix. I don't see any conflict with the "prefix
> trick", though, since there is no indirect object to confuse things.
>
> ghoj[moH]wI'pu' QeDwI'pu' je Savan.
Better not to confuse a KLBC post with controversial grammar.
/ghojmoHwI'pu' HaDwI'pu' je/ is not a second-person noun phrase, and
there is no rule that says you can ignore agreement in a case like this.
A little comma fixes this, though:
ghojmoHwI'pu' HaDwI'pu' je, Savan.
Teachers and students, I salute you.
> If the object person conflict is too great, then simply use {vI-} on the
> verb:
>
> ghoj[moH]wI'pu' QeDwI'pu' je vIvan.
"I salute teachers and [students]." Sure you do, but Thorwald was
directly addressing us. You've taken away the direct address.
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