[85205] in tlhIngan-Hol
Re: KLBC: New to the List
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Mark J. Reed)
Tue Dec 9 10:12:35 2008
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:10:38 -0500
From: "Mark J. Reed" <markjreed@gmail.com>
To: tlhingan-hol@kli.org
In-Reply-To: <493E8619.1050204@trimboli.name>
Errors-to: tlhingan-hol-bounce@kli.org
Reply-to: tlhingan-hol@kli.org
The existence of {VrDV} tells us nothing about the acceptability of
{rD} as a syllable coda. Most languages have "clusters" across
syllables that can't occur in the onset or coda of a single syllable.
In English, consider "-ln" - no English syllable ends with it. There's
"lm", but not "ln". Nevertheless we have "hazelnut",, "vulnerable",
"malnutrition", etc, with "ln" across a syllable boundary. (In the
"oddball proper name" slot occupied by {pIqarD} in tlhIngan Hol, we
have "Lincoln" - but not really, since the -l- is not pronounced.)
On 12/9/08, David Trimboli <david@trimboli.name> wrote:
> Steven Boozer wrote:
>
>> DloraH:
>>> But in {qarDaS} and {qarDaSya'} the r and the D are in separate
>>> syllables. qar-DaS, qar-DaS-ya' All being CVC.
>>
>> I noticed that too but even so, this is the only example of a
>> *non-suffixed* noun with the string {-arD-} -- and it's another
>> foreign name. Apparently it's pronounceable but, for some reason,
>> uncommon. This may be significant, or it may just be a coincidence
>> due to the small size of the known vocabulary. (And yes, I know that
>> forms like {tarDaq} "in the poison", {DI'qarDaq} "toward D'Kar",
>> {ghISnarDaq} "on the grishnar cat", etc. are possible.)
>
> There are a number of not-very-pronounceable consonant combinations,
> some of which appear in the vocabulary. (I haven't the time to look for
> examples right now.) One example is {-nD-}. I remember one Klingonist
> who called herself SanDar, and we had a conversation at qep'a' loSDIch
> about how difficult it was to position the tongue correctly to say her
> name. She took a perverse pleasure in this, I think. :)
>
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