[85066] in tlhIngan-Hol
RE: A fun application of the "prefix trick"
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Steven Boozer)
Wed Sep 17 17:37:17 2008
From: Steven Boozer <sboozer@uchicago.edu>
To: "'tlhingan-hol@kli.org'" <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 16:36:04 -0500
In-Reply-To: <62880.73974.qm@web82602.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Errors-to: tlhingan-hol-bounce@kli.org
Reply-to: tlhingan-hol@kli.org
SuStel:
>> The object of {ghoj} is the thing learned, but the object of {ghojmoH}
>> is the person taught. Therefore, {jIH mughojmoH SoS} is a perfectly
>> normal sentence. You just elided the pronoun.
ter'eS:
> Not that I want to re-start an old argument, but you say "the object of
> {ghojmoH} is the person taught" as if this is a settled thing, while I do
> not recall any definitive rule about what happens with {-moH} and
> transitive verbs. I personally believe that the object of the unsuffixed
> verb remains the object of the suffixed verb, and the causee is marked
> with {-vaD}: {Hol vIghoj} -> {jIHvaD Hol ghojmoH SoS}, and I will believe
> that until Okrand says explicitly "No".
For the beginners on the list, part of the problem is that we have so few examples in canon:
{ghoj} "learn":
qa'vam yuQ Quv DaghojmeH Duyma'vaD yIjatlh.
[To learn the Genesis Planet's coordinates, speak to our agent.]
(ST3 DVD case [text by Okrand?])
{ghojmoH} "teach, instruct":
batlh qaghojmoHpu'
It has been an honor to instruct you. (CK)
batlh qaghojmoH
It has been an honor to instruct you. (PK)
Cf. also the nouns {ghojmeH taj} "boy's knife ("knife for learning" in KCD) and {ghojwI'} "student":
ghojwI'pu'lI' tISaH
Care about your students. (TKW)
--
Voragh
Ca'Non Master of the Klingons
