[849] in tlhIngan-Hol
Re: tape
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU)
Thu May 13 08:02:20 1993
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From: Captain Krankor <krankor@codex.prds.cdx.mot.com>
To: "Klingon Language List" <tlhIngan-Hol@village.boston.ma.us>
Date: Wed, 12 May 93 18:04:47 -0400
>>Michael Dorn (as Worf (which should be "worv"? Someone should make
>sure the Klingon characters have names commensurable with the
>phonology!))
> Allan C. Wechsler discusses Worf's name in a very
> interesting article on Klingon phonology in HolQeD vol 1,
> #1. He guesses that Worf's name is probably "woQ". He
> dismisses the possiblility of "worv" since no other Klingon
> syllable ends in "rv".
I once asked Okrand about this. His claim is that it would be
wI'orv. I do not know why he felt it needed an extra syllable, but
he obviously didn't have any particular problem with rv.
>>"Klingon warriors are butting heads" is translated "qIp'egh
>nachDu'chaj tlhIngan SuvwI'pu'". Either this is a previously unknown
>instrumental construction for "Klingon warriors are hitting themselves
>with their heads" or is a mistaken construction for "Klingon warriors'
>heads hit themselves." (Perhaps something like "nachDu'chajDaq qIpchuq
>tlhIngan SuvwI'pu'", "Klingon warriors are hitting each other in their
>heads" would be better, or "nachDu'chajmo'" using Qanqor's recent
>suggestion of using "-mo'" as an instrumental suffix, which I like a
>lot.)
> HoD Qanqor discusses the errors in this sentence in HolQeD,
> vol 2, #1. He translates the erroneous sentence from the
> tape as "Their heads' Klingon warriors are butting
> themselves." ("nachDu'chaj tlhIngan SuvwI'pu'" has the
> wrong word order to be "Klingon warriors' heads".) He gives
> almost the same correction as you, but uses "qIp'egh" rather
> than "qIpchuq". "qIpchuq" actually seems more correct --
> qar'a', HoD Qanqor?
Someone else in fact raised this same issue to me in private mail,
and I shall summarize the response I gave them: Yes, -chuq is
actually better, however -egh is not out-and-out wrong, so I did not
choose to criticise the tape (and, presumably, Okrand) in this regard.
But yes, -chuq does seem superior.
--Krankor
