[84542] in tlhIngan-Hol
Re: Klingon WOTD: ngIp (verb)
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Sangqar)
Tue Apr 29 19:59:48 2008
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 17:57:38 -0600
From: Sangqar <Sangqar@hotmail.com>
To: tlhingan-hol@kli.org
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Doq wrote:
> QInlIj vIyaj 'e' vInID, 'ach loQ vIyajlaHbe'. vaj, HochvaD mu'meylIj
> vImugh (ghaytan vImughHa').
qaStaHvIS poH nI' tlhIngan Hol vIlo'be'. jISaw; bogh puqloDwI'; qaS
latlh Doch je. DaH jIlo'qa'. jIqeqnIS. jIghojqa'nIS. rut jIQagh. vaj loQ
pIch vIghaj.
'ach yapbe' SovlIj, 'ej loQ pIch Daghaj SoH je.
>> tlhoy mu'mey'e' bIpup. 'ach bIpupqu'chugh:
>
> "As for words, you kick too much. But if you kick a lot:" ????
yapbe' SovlIj: pup = "be exact" (pup = "kick", pup = "be perfect" je)
>> nIHbe' ghot, latlh ghot ghajbe'choH. 'ach mu' ngIpchugh Hol, mu'vetlh
>> ghajtaH latlh Hol. vaj mu' nIHghach 'oHbe' mu' ngIpghach.
>
> "A person does not steal, he/she/it begins to not have another's
> person. [?] But if a language borrows a word, another's language
> continues to have that word. Thus, a word's borrowation [with a
> missing {-'e'}] is not a word's stealation."
jIQaghqu': "niHbe' => "niHchugh".
jIQaghqu': "latlh ghot ghajbe'choH" => "ghajbe'choH latlh ghot".
yapbe' SovlIj: latlh Hol = "another language" (latlh Hol = "another's
language" je).
jIQagh: <-'e'> vIlIj. (pagh chaq "Morska"ngan jIH.)
wej bIyajchugh, HISovmoH.
> QoQ ta nIHwI' Darur.
jIyajbe'. mu'tlhegh vIyaj. "You resemble a thief of recorded music (lit.
music record)". 'ach qech vIyajbe'. qatlh Dochvam vIrur 'e' DaQub?
>> tlhIngan Hol lo'lu'taHvIS ngIplaH'a' Hol? wISovbe'. nIHlaH'a' Hol?
>> wISovbe'.
>
> Can a language borrow while one uses a Klingon's language? We don't
> know it. Can a language steal? We don't know it.
bIyajbe'chugh, pIch Daghajbe'. rut tlhIngan Hol wIjatlhtaHvIS, mu'
DIreyniS. vaj jiQIj:
While one uses Klingon, can a language borrow? = Can we use the
expression "a language borrows" in Klingon?
>> (ghu'vam'e' lugh <nIHghach>, <ngIpghach> je):
>
> "As for this situation, stealation and borrowation are correct." [?]
motlh mojaQ <-ghach> lo'laHDI' vay', latlh mojaQ je poQ mu'. 'ach rut
pagh latlh mojaQ poQ mu'. (pIjHa' qaS qhu' Seghvetlh.) ghu' Seghvetlh
'oH ghu'vam'e' 'e' vIHar.
>> HQ: So, <can> we use the suffix *-ghach* on a naked stem?
>>
>> MO: ...Klingon is a little more forgiving than English, people
>> wouldn't
>> jump up and down and say that's horrible and ungrammatical, but they
>> would say that's a unique formation. Perhaps appropriate for the
>> occasion, but not necessarily a word for all times.
>>
>> from HolQeD 3:3
>
> moH.
moH tlhIngan Hol pab 'e' DaHarlaH, 'ach SoH jIHchugh, QoylaHtaHvIS
tlhIngan, ghaHvaD vIja'be'.
