[83975] in tlhIngan-Hol
Re: Missing question words
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (qa'vaj)
Mon Jan 14 21:40:07 2008
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 20:37:50 -0600
From: qa'vaj <darqang99@gmail.com>
To: tlhingan-hol@kli.org
In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20080114160135.032ed760@imap.uchicago.edu>
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On Jan 14, 2008 4:14 PM, Steven Boozer <sboozer@uchicago.edu> wrote:
> {naDev} is assumed to be the point of reference for {Hop} and {Sum}, but
> not for all verbs. E.g.:
>
> naDevvo' yIghoS
> Go away! TKD
>
{naDev yIghoS} means Come here!, so I'm not sure if omitting {naDevvo'} is
ok.
Does {yIghoS} automatically mean "Go away!" when no locative is present? I
could envision contexts where it might mean "Come on over here!" as well.
>
> naDevvo' jIleghlaHchu'be'
> I can't see well from here. CK
>
> naDevvo' vaS'a'Daq majaHlaH'a'
> Can we get to the Great Hall from here? PK
>
>
SuStel commented on the first of these two, and I agree with what he said.
For the second one, I was thinking along the {-vo'} {-Daq} pair for the
'specifying distance' problem. My reasoning was "geometric", and I can see
that reasoning going on as well in {naDevvo' vaS'a'Daq}.
When we add a time stamp, the time stamp usually specifies a point in time
(even if not precise). For a time interval we use {qaStaHvIS}. Similarly
{-Daq} generally means a point in space, although it can also mean a ray
moving into a point for some contexts. {-vo'} generally means something
like a ray moving away from a point. We don't have a verb corresponding to
{qaS} that we can use to mean "while a spatial interval happens". The canon
seems to use the {-vo'}-{Daq} combination in order to provide a locative
that means a spatial interval, a locative interval between two defined
points. If we just say {vaS'a'Daq majaHlaH'a'}, it might also mean
something like: "Are we able to go around in the Great Hall?". The {-Daq}
resets the spatial point reference to {vaS'a'}. So the {naDevvo'} is
probably needed to be clear.
That's also why I think that something like {naDevvo' juHwIjDaq wa'SaD
qelI'qam ....} is the way to specify the distance. I just don't know how to
complete the puzzle. Maybe {naDevvo' juHwIjDaq wa'SaD qelI'qam 'abbogh chuq
tu'lu'}.
--
qa'vaj
qo'lIj DachenmoHtaH
