[83939] in tlhIngan-Hol
Re: Specifying distance traveled (was Art of War Chp. 2
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Steven Boozer)
Fri Jan 11 16:01:43 2008
Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 14:58:13 -0600
To: tlhingan-hol@kli.org
From: Steven Boozer <sboozer@uchicago.edu>
In-Reply-To: <4787CA24.2050109@trimboli.name>
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Doq:
> > We know that the direct object of {ghoS} can be a destination or a
> > place. We don't know that it can be a distance. That's the problem.
SuStel:
>Actually, the object of {ghoS} can also be the course followed itself. I
>don't recall where this is made clear, but I think it was in an
>interview with Okrand in HolQeD. I am away from my library right now, so
>I can't cite the source specifically. The online index to HolQeD has
>
> ghoS, "approach, go away from": and objects, 3:3/3-5;
> andtransitivity, 7:4/7-9; used with -Daq, 7:4/9, 8:4/5-10; used
> with -vo', 7:4/8.
>
>I'll bet that's it.
I have my notes with me:
He chu' yIghoS
Follow a new course! TKD
He chu' ghoS. DIvI' neHmaH.
New course. Federation neutral zone. ST3
He chu' ghoS
Set [new] course. (TNG "Unification I")
Hevetlh wIghoSchugh veH tIn wI'el maH'e'
that course will take us into the [Great] Barrier as well. ST5
'u' SepmeyDaq Sovbe'lu'bogh lenglu'meH He ghoSlu'bogh retlhDaq 'oHtaH
[it is] beside a passage to unknown regions of the universe. DS99
>But it was made quite clear that one can say things like:
> He ghoS
> He goes along the road.
Okrand said {He} {He" "course, route" can mean an actual road? Many of us
have long used it this way. Nice, if true.
>I therefore see no problem in specifying the actual kellicams traveled
>as the object of {ghoS}; they are the route followed.
>
> cha'SaD qelI'qam 'ab He. qelI'qam Qav vIghoStaHvIS QapHa'choH QuQ.
> vaj wa'SaD Hutvatlh HutmaH Hut qelI'qam neH vIghoSpu'.
I had forgotten that something as intangible as a course, as opposed to a
physical location, can be the object of {ghoS}, and presumably other verbs
of motion. Why not something equally intangible (if measurable) as
distance? I now have (almost) no qualms about saying:
veng wa'DIchDaq wa'SaD qelI'qam wIghoS
We proceed 1,000 kellicams to the First City.
veng wa'DIchDaq wa'SaD qelI'qam vIlengpu'
I've traveled 1,000 kellicams to the First City.
Since destinations can be optionally tagged with {-Daq}, this provides a
simple practical way of distinguishing the destination from the distance.
Whether it's right is another matter.
--
Voragh
Ca'Non Master of the Klingons
