[3564] in tlhIngan-Hol
Re: Complex sentences and question words
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU)
Thu Mar 3 22:27:40 1994
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From: Will Martin <whm2m@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu>
To: "Klingon Language List" <tlhIngan-Hol@klingon.East.Sun.COM>
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 94 22:16:59 EST
On Mar 3, 11:16am, Mark E. Shoulson wrote:
> Subject: Complex sentences and question words
>
> >From: "Matthew Whiteacre" <mmw8970@zeus.tamu.edu>
> >Date: Wed, 2 Mar 94 17:05:08 CST
>
> >On Wed, 2 Mar 1994 17:19:16 -0400 (EST, Kevin Wilson wrote:
>
> >>
> >>SuvwI'pu' quv,
> >>
> >> In translating Genesis I came across the sentence "Why did you
> >>tell me that she is your sister?"...
> >According to how I read section 6.2.5, it never states that the pronoun
> >{'e'} or {net} must be the first word of the sentence. Thus if you used
> >english puncuation, I would write:
>
> >be'nI'lI' ghaH. qatlh 'e' qaja'ta'
>
> >Which is a version of your number 2 option.
>
> This selfsame question was treated by our own Captain Krankor in HolQeD
> 1:2, wherein he came up with the same conclusion as you did. While I'm not
> sure I'd punctuate it quite like that, but punctuation is just a helping
> hand; it doesn't determine grammar. Anyway, "'e'" is unmistakably a
> pronoun (that's what Okrand calls it), and is part of the second sentence
> (the object), and question words like qatlh, like adverbials, come before
> the objects of their sentences. So option (2) is plainly correct.
>
> ~mark
Okay, I held off to let the grammarians (who were addressed directly on
this one) to go to it first, in a rare act of self control. Okay, I'll admit
it. I wrote a reply and changed the address to my own instead of to the list.
So please explain to me why {ja'} gets {'e'} here when TKD says that
verbs of saying don't need it? Option 2 and 3 are exactly the same if you
take {'e'} out of it, which is what *I* humbly think ought to happen.
charghwI'
