[2649] in tlhIngan-Hol
Re: SaQumqa'
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU)
Wed Jan 19 14:29:59 1994
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charghwI'vaD:
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> ghol vIchargh rIntaHDI' DungDajDaq jIQam 'ej jachqu'
> {nIjeytaHjaj jaghlI' HoSHa''e' je}
Alright, maybe since {rIntaH} was a backfit, then {-ta'} could have been more
useful. It's the same way for {HISlaH}, which one almost never sees anymore.
It's just a dying mistake.
> The second comment is that you lost me with the word {HoSHa''e'. Did
> you mean {HoSHa'ghach'e'}? Just because {HoS} can be either a noun or verb
> that doesn't give you license to use both verb and noun suffixes on it at
the
> same time without a nominalizing suffix between the two. You might
TKD (4.4): "If a Type 5 noun suffix is used (3.3.5), it follows the verb,
which, when used to modify the noun in this way, can have no other suffix
except the rover {-qu'} /emphatic/. The Type 5 noun suffix follows {-qu'}."
Examples given: "{veng tInDaq} /in the big city/
{veng tInqu'Daq} /in the very big city/"
Ah, yes, I see we both have something to learn from this paragraph. In my
construction {jaghlI' HoSHa''e'}, I tacked the {-'e'} onto the adjectival
verb to show its modification of the topicalized noun {jaghlI'}. In other
words, it was {HoSHa'bogh jaghlI''e'}. However, I failed to note that only
{-qu'} can be tacked onto such a adjectival verb. Well, that's easy enough to
fix since {HoSHa'} = {puj}.
So, my revised quote turns out:
{nIjeytaHjaj jaghlI' puj'e' je} "May your weak enemies (topic) also defeat
you."
As has been mentioned before, putting a {-jaj}ed verb at the end of a
sentence would only be necessary for toasts, which have archaic origins, and
therefore follow unusual grammatical rules (as stated in PK). But in common
speech, or non-archaic sentences with {-jaj}, the normal syntax should be
adhered to. At least until more evidence comes into the light.
Guido#1, Leader of All Guidos
