[1645] in tlhIngan-Hol
opinions on Orthography & Phonetics
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU)
Tue Oct 12 03:48:41 1993
Reply-To: "Klingon Language List" <tlhIngan-Hol@klingon.east.sun.com>
From: DSTRADER@delphi.com
To: "Klingon Language List" <tlhIngan-Hol@klingon.east.sun.com>
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1993 00:21:53 -0400 (EDT)
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First of all, to all who are bickering over the "i" v. "I" issue:
I highly advise coming to grips with the fact that ANY and ALL members
of the Roman alphabet have nothing beyond an artificial relation to
anything Klingon. Have you forgotten about pIqaD?? The first issue of
HolQeD on pg.19 displays the authentic Klingon alphabet loud and clear.
Of course, it's non-Okrandian, but I consider it legitimate since Okrand
apparently showed no interest in creating an alien orthography. I'm
probably one of the few to put time and effort into this, but I have
slowly (and somewhat painstakingly) been familiarizing myself with that
alphabet. That's why I find that dispute over the trifling i/I deal so
irrelevant. So, lay down your weapons and look at what Astra Images Co. for ST1
has
to say for orthography. Personally, I would put priority of the _real_
Klingon orth. over some system of Roman letters which have no more than
a "made-up" conection to the Klingon sounds. (keeping in mind, every
aspect of Klingon is made up, but you can't expect an alien race to use
our orth. or viceversa.)
Also, on pronunciation, I earlier asked how one would pronounce a CVCVC
construction where ' was the second C, such as in jI'ong. Does the '
affect the pronunciation of /I/ even tho it is part of the second
syllable. WillMartin says it does. But I would like to disagree:
*NO!!* I DON'T THINK SO! I, myself, consider jI its own syllable and
in this construction consisting of two seperate morphemes, it is no
different than in jISup. When reading a heavily affixed word, you will
notice a number of consanants shoved together that really don't go well
together: Dm of mIDmey, vtlh of Dujvetlhvo', these are agglutinations.
You have to think of them as seperate words almost. That's the only
way such odd sounds can go together. jI'ong is no different than *[jI 'ong],
afaiac. Any /'/ that seperates two vowels does nothing more than seperate
the vowels, and it tends to leans toward the second syllable.
vuDwIj 'oH -- ghoHqang 'Iv
!@#$%^&*(Guido1)*&^%$#@!
