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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] If only we could use twice to say..
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (De'vID)
Wed Mar 20 04:55:29 2019
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From: "De'vID" <de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2019 09:55:16 +0100
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On Tue, 19 Mar 2019 at 21:07, Ed Bailey <bellerophon.modeler@gmail.com>
wrote:
> No surprises on the use of* -logh* in MKE: It says *Duj ghajchugh
> vay, cha'logh boq'egh qav'ap motlh; chen qav'ap le'. ghajwI'vaD qav'ap le'
> yIDIl.* "If owned, pay owner twice the rental to which they are otherwise
> entitled."
>
> (But it is proof that actual numbers aren't required in arithmetic
> expressions; as one might expect, it's possible to insert a word like
> *qav'ap* that has some numeric value that may be unspecified.
> Also, something I hadn't noticed before: evidently *DIl* can be used to
> mean "pay (the amount paid)," and not just the gloss of "pay for,"
>
How so? {qav'ap} "rent" is a thing that you pay for. You're paying for
rent, not for the amount of the rent (though this happens to be how much
you have to pay).
so you might say *Duj vIje'meH wa' 'uy' DarSeq vIDIlpu'* "I paid one
> million darseks to buy the ship."
>
I don't think that's right. That says that you paid for one million darseks
(i.e., you bought one million darseks, using something else).
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><br><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, 19 Mar 2019 =
at 21:07, Ed Bailey <<a href=3D"mailto:bellerophon.modeler@gmail.com">be=
llerophon.modeler@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gm=
ail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,=
204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">No surprises o=
n the use of<b> -logh</b> in MKE: It says <b>Duj ghajchugh vay,=C2=A0cha=
9;logh boq'egh qav'ap motlh; chen qav'ap le'.=C2=A0ghajwI&#=
39;vaD qav'ap le' yIDIl.</b>=C2=A0"If owned, pay owner twice t=
he rental to which they are otherwise entitled."<div><b><br></b><div>(=
But it is proof that actual numbers aren't required in arithmetic expre=
ssions; as one might expect, it's possible to insert a word like <b>qav=
'ap</b> that has some numeric value that may be unspecified.</div><div>=
Also, something I hadn't noticed before: evidently=C2=A0<b>DIl</b> can =
be used to mean "pay (the amount paid)," and not just the gloss o=
f "pay for," </div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>=
<div>How so? {qav'ap} "rent" is a thing that you pay for. You=
're paying for rent, not for the amount of the rent (though this happen=
s to be how much you have to pay).<br></div><div><br></div><blockquote clas=
s=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid r=
gb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><d=
iv>so you might say <b>Duj vIje'meH wa' 'uy' DarSeq vIDIlpu=
'</b> "I paid one million darseks to buy the ship."=C2=A0</di=
v></div></div></div>
</blockquote></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div>I don't think that's =
right. That says that you paid for one million darseks (i.e., you bought on=
e million darseks, using something else).<br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div>-=
- <br><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature">De'vID</div></div></di=
v>
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