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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Sylvester the cat in klingon
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (nIqolay Q)
Tue Mar 19 11:00:55 2019
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Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2019 11:00:41 -0400
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There's another example of apposition that the Klingon wiki doesn't
mention. http://klingonska.org/canon/1996-sbx-s26.txt
*DuraS tuq tlhIngan yejquv patlh luDub 'e' reH lunIDtaH DuraS be'nI'pu'
lurSa' be'etor je.*
*The sisters of the House of Duras, Lursa and B'Etor are constantly seeking
a higher standing for the House of Duras within the Klingon High Council.*
(I underlined the apposition. Also, the sentence begins with a N-N-N-N-N
construction. This has nothing to do with the topic, but I find it
delightful.)
I suppose if you were worried about it being interpreted as a usual N-N
construction, you could set off part of it with commas: *sIlveSter,
vIghro'.* But if the context is clear that it's "Sylvester the cat" and not
"Sylvester's cat", you'll probably be fine.
On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 10:45 AM Lieven L. Litaer <levinius@gmx.de> wrote:
> Am 19.03.2019 um 15:28 schrieb mayqel qunen'oS:
> > In english we say "sylvester the cat".
> >
> > Is it possible to say this in a similar short phrase in klingon ? I
> > mean, without writing something as "the name of the cat is sylvester".
>
> That's not a new topic: The problem is called apposition. Read the
> Klingon Wiki for details:
> http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/Apposition
>
> --
> Lieven L. Litaer
> aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany"
> http://www.klingonisch.de
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"fon=
t-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">There's another example of apposit=
ion that the Klingon wiki doesn't mention. <a href=3D"http://klingonska=
.org/canon/1996-sbx-s26.txt">http://klingonska.org/canon/1996-sbx-s26.txt</=
a><br><br><b>DuraS tuq tlhIngan yejquv patlh luDub 'e' reH lunIDtaH=
<u>DuraS be'nI'pu' lurSa' be'etor je.</u></b><br><i>Th=
e sisters of the House of Duras, Lursa and B'Etor are constantly seekin=
g a higher standing for the House of Duras within the Klingon High Council.=
</i></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica=
,sans-serif">(I underlined the apposition. Also, the sentence begins with a=
N-N-N-N-N construction. This has nothing to do with the topic, but I find =
it delightful.)</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:aria=
l,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"fon=
t-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">I suppose if you were worried about it=
being interpreted as a usual N-N construction, you could set off part of i=
t with commas: <b>sIlveSter, vIghro'.</b> But if the context is clear t=
hat it's "Sylvester the cat" and not "Sylvester's ca=
t", you'll probably be fine.<br></div></div></div><br><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Mar 19, 2019=
at 10:45 AM Lieven L. Litaer <<a href=3D"mailto:levinius@gmx.de">levini=
us@gmx.de</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding=
-left:1ex">Am 19.03.2019 um 15:28 schrieb mayqel qunen'oS:<br>
> In english we say "sylvester the cat".<br>
><br>
> Is it possible to say this in a similar short phrase in klingon ? I<br=
>
> mean, without writing something as "the name of the cat is sylves=
ter".<br>
<br>
That's not a new topic: The problem is called apposition. Read the<br>
Klingon Wiki for details:<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/Apposition" rel=3D"noreferrer" tar=
get=3D"_blank">http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/Apposition</a><br>
<br>
--<br>
Lieven L. Litaer<br>
aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany"<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.klingonisch.de" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">=
http://www.klingonisch.de</a><br>
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