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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Klingon Word of the Day: yItlhHa'
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (nIqolay Q)
Mon Mar 18 17:06:57 2019
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Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2019 17:06:43 -0400
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On Mon, Mar 18, 2019 at 1:24 PM Felix Malmenbeck <felixm@kth.se> wrote:
> > The use of the suffix {-Ha'} does not imly that the situation or the
> > action was different before. It's just the opposite meaning.
>
> While there are some canonical examples that may suggest this to be the
> case (words like {jaQHa'} come to mind), the original description in TKD
> suggests that it requires either an undoing of a previous state/action, or
> that something is done wrongly:
>
Based on {jaQHa'}, {yItlhHa'}, and so on, I've suspected for a while that
{-Ha'} has expanded to include the idea of "the exact opposite quality", at
least in some cases. There's never been any confirmation one way or
another, though, so I've been reluctant to use it that way. For now, I have
it mentally filed away as an idiomatic usage of verb suffixes, like
{HIvneS}. Or maybe it's an expansion of the "wrongly" meaning -- being
lenient is definitely the wrong way to be strict.
Maybe someone could ask MO about it at the next qep'a'.
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail=
_attr">On Mon, Mar 18, 2019 at 1:24 PM Felix Malmenbeck <<a href=3D"mail=
to:felixm@kth.se">felixm@kth.se</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rg=
b(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">> The use of the suffix {-Ha'} does=
not imly that the situation or the<br>
> action was different before. It's just the opposite meaning.<br>
<br>
While there are some canonical examples that may suggest this to be the cas=
e (words like {jaQHa'} come to mind), the original description in TKD s=
uggests that it requires either an undoing of a previous state/action, or t=
hat something is done wrongly:<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div><div sty=
le=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" class=3D"gmail_default">Based=
on {jaQHa'}, {yItlhHa'}, and so on, I've suspected for a while=
that {-Ha'} has expanded to include the idea of "the exact opposi=
te quality", at least in some cases. There's never been any confir=
mation one way or another, though, so I've been reluctant to use it tha=
t way. For now, I have it mentally filed away as an idiomatic usage of verb=
suffixes, like {HIvneS}. Or maybe it's an expansion of the "wrong=
ly" meaning -- being lenient is definitely the wrong way to be strict.=
<br></div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" class=3D"g=
mail_default"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-seri=
f" class=3D"gmail_default">Maybe someone could ask MO about it at the next =
qep'a'.<br></div><br></div><div>=C2=A0</div></div></div>
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