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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Expressing exterior
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Will Martin)
Fri Mar 15 12:49:33 2019
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From: Will Martin <willmartin2@mac.com>
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2019 12:49:28 -0400
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Wow. =20
Just wow.
That=E2=80=99s pretty vindictive. Impressively so.
You seem to be responding to someone who claims more authority than I =
intend to. I=E2=80=99m just giving my opinion.
All I was saying was that if you want to prove that we need a word we =
don=E2=80=99t have, you didn=E2=80=99t work very hard to create that =
proof.=20
That=E2=80=99s it.
I don=E2=80=99t think that deserves this degree of venom.
But if you like venom, go for it. No skin off my nose. I=E2=80=99m going =
on a walk with my wife and my granddaughter. Much better company.
charghwI=E2=80=99 vaghnerya=E2=80=99ngan
rInpa=E2=80=99 bomnIS be=E2=80=99=E2=80=99a=E2=80=99 pI=E2=80=99.
> On Mar 15, 2019, at 8:40 AM, mayqel qunen'oS <mihkoun@gmail.com> =
wrote:
>=20
> charghwI':
> > The reason I said it was a half effort
>=20
> Can you quote where exactly, I suggested that we use {Hur} in order to =
describe the exterior surface of something ?
>=20
> I asked, whether it *could* be used that way. Asking is one thing, =
while suggesting is quite another.
>=20
> And let me ask you; why don't you react similarly when people =
transliterate, or crap repeatedly on the "not using -Daq unless it is =
placed on a physical location" rule ?
>=20
> Don't these people suggest indirectly, that we *should* transliterate, =
and break the -Daq rule ?
>=20
> And as far as whether I think that a word meaning "outer surface" is =
necessary, yes I do. And it's my right, as it is the right of every =
tlhIngan Hol fan to have his own wish list.
>=20
> But has okrand EVER reacted the way YOU did/usually do, when a fan =
asks for something which he doesn't think is necessary ?
>=20
> Luckily no. Because if okrand chose to reply the way you do, soon the =
only person who would be using klingon, would be only okrand.
>=20
> ~ changan qIj
>=20
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-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">Wow. =
<br class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div class=3D"">Just =
wow.</div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); =
color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; =
font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; =
letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: =
0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; =
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class=3D""></div><div style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, =
0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: =
none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;">That=E2=80=99s pretty vindictive. Impressively =
so.</div><div style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); =
font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: =
none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;"><br class=3D""></div><div style=3D"caret-color: =
rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: =
12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: =
normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: =
auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;">You seem to be =
responding to someone who claims more authority than I intend to. I=E2=80=99=
m just giving my opinion.</div><div style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); =
color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; =
font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; =
letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: =
0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><br =
class=3D""></div><div style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, =
0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: =
none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;">All I was saying was that if you want to prove =
that we need a word we don=E2=80=99t have, you didn=E2=80=99t work very =
hard to create that proof. </div><div style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, =
0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; =
font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; =
letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: =
0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><br =
class=3D""></div><div style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, =
0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: =
none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;">That=E2=80=99s it.</div><div style=3D"caret-color:=
rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: =
12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: =
normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: =
auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><br =
class=3D""></div><div style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, =
0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: =
none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;">I don=E2=80=99t think that deserves this degree =
of venom.</div><div style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, =
0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: =
none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;"><br class=3D""></div><div style=3D"caret-color: =
rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: =
12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: =
normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: =
auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;">But if you like =
venom, go for it. No skin off my nose. I=E2=80=99m going on a walk with =
my wife and my granddaughter. Much better company.</div><div =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: =
Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
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none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;">charghwI=E2=80=99 vaghnerya=E2=80=99ngan<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">rInpa=E2=80=99 bomnIS be=E2=80=99=E2=80=99a=E2=80=
=99 pI=E2=80=99.</div>
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<div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Mar 15, 2019, at 8:40 AM, mayqel qunen'oS <<a =
href=3D"mailto:mihkoun@gmail.com" class=3D"">mihkoun@gmail.com</a>> =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div =
dir=3D"auto" class=3D""><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px" =
class=3D"">charghwI':</span></div><span =
style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px" class=3D"">> The =
reason I said it was a half effort</span><div dir=3D"auto" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px" =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></span></div><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px" class=3D"">Can you =
quote where exactly, I suggested that we use {Hur} in order to describe =
the exterior surface of something ?</span></div><div dir=3D"auto" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px" =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></span></div><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px" class=3D"">I asked, =
whether it *could* be used that way. Asking is one thing, while =
suggesting is quite another.</span></div><div dir=3D"auto" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px" =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></span></div><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px" class=3D"">And let me =
ask you; why don't you react similarly when people transliterate, or =
crap repeatedly on the "not using -Daq unless it is placed on a physical =
location" rule ?</span></div><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px" class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></span></div><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px" class=3D"">Don't these =
people suggest indirectly, that we *should* transliterate, and break the =
-Daq rule ?</span></div><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px" class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></span></div><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px" class=3D"">And as far =
as whether I think that a word meaning "outer surface" is necessary, yes =
I do. And it's my right, as it is the right of every tlhIngan Hol fan to =
have his own wish list.</span></div><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px" class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></span></div><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px" class=3D"">But has =
okrand EVER reacted the way YOU did/usually do, when a fan asks for =
something which he doesn't think is necessary ?</span></div><div =
dir=3D"auto" class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div dir=3D"auto" =
class=3D""><font face=3D"sans-serif" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size:12.8px" class=3D"">Luckily no. Because if okrand =
chose to reply the way you do, soon the only person who would be using =
klingon, would be only okrand.</span></font></div><div dir=3D"auto" =
class=3D""><font face=3D"sans-serif" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size:12.8px" class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></span></font></div><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D""><font =
face=3D"sans-serif" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size:12.8px" =
class=3D"">~ changan qIj</span></font></div><div dir=3D"auto" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px" =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></span></div></div>
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