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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Expressing exterior
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Will Martin)
Thu Mar 14 17:08:45 2019
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From: Will Martin <willmartin2@mac.com>
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2019 17:08:42 -0400
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The reason I said it was a half effort was that your example specifically ex=
cluded the obvious solution because you already knew the word you should be u=
sing and instead forced {Hur} into a completely unnecessary role. A full eff=
ort would have involved an example that didn=E2=80=99t have a word like {reD=
} to fill in what you want to argue is a void in Klingon=E2=80=99s capacity o=
f expression that can only be filled by your interpretation of the potential=
range of meaning of the word {Hur}, which you already know people disagree w=
ith.=20
As for your tumor example, I still don=E2=80=99t see the difference between i=
t escaping from the bone, vs. breaking through the surface of the bone.=20
It can break through the barrier between muscle and bone or between bone and=
blood. Here, the significance is less the surface than the system into whic=
h the tumor newly invades.=20
Is there a surface example that can=E2=80=99t be handled with the word {veH}=
?
Sent from my iPhone.=20
Will
> On Mar 14, 2019, at 3:11 PM, mayqel qunen'oS <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
>=20
> charghwI':
> > If you have a specific example where there isn=E2=80=99t a word like
> > {reD}, let=E2=80=99s work with it.
>=20
> Since you ask:
>=20
> "The tumor breaks through the outer surface of the bone"
>=20
> As far as "my half-effort to force Hur to mean something it doesn't mean" i=
s concerned, I will exercise restraint and choose not to comment.
>=20
> ~ changan qIj
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">The reason I said it was a half effort was t=
hat your example specifically excluded the obvious solution because you alre=
ady knew the word you should be using and instead forced {Hur} into a comple=
tely unnecessary role. A full effort would have involved an example that did=
n=E2=80=99t have a word like {reD} to fill in what you want to argue is a vo=
id in Klingon=E2=80=99s capacity of expression that can only be filled by yo=
ur interpretation of the potential range of meaning of the word {Hur}, which=
you already know people disagree with. <div><br></div><div>As for your=
tumor example, I still don=E2=80=99t see the difference between it escaping=
from the bone, vs. breaking through the surface of the bone. </div><di=
v><br></div><div>It can break through the barrier between muscle and bone or=
between bone and blood. Here, the significance is less the surface than the=
system into which the tumor newly invades. <br><br>Is there a surface e=
xample that can=E2=80=99t be handled with the word {veH}?<br><br><div id=3D"=
AppleMailSignature" dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone. <br><div>Will</div=
></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On Mar 14, 2019, at 3:11 PM, mayqel qunen'oS <=
;<a href=3D"mailto:mihkoun@gmail.com">mihkoun@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><b=
r></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"auto"><div di=
r=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">charghwI'=
:</span></div><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">> I=
f you have a specific example where there isn=E2=80=99t a word like</span><d=
iv dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">>=
{reD}, let=E2=80=99s work with it.</span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span styl=
e=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div dir=3D"a=
uto"><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">Since you ask:<=
/span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-siz=
e:12.8px"><br></span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:sans=
-serif;font-size:12.8px">"The tumor breaks through the outer surface of the b=
one"</span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;fon=
t-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family=
:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">As far as "my half-effort to force Hur to mean=
something it doesn't mean" is concerned, I will exercise restraint and choo=
se not to comment.</span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:=
sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D=
"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">~ changan qIj</span></div></div>
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