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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Expressing exterior
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (mayqel qunen'oS)
Thu Mar 14 16:42:36 2019
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From: "mayqel qunen'oS" <mihkoun@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2019 22:42:21 +0200
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Since I'm replying from my phone, I can't quote the relevant parts of the
messages.
At first glance, SuStel and voragh, your suggestions are interesting.
Unfortunately though, without having the means to express "exterior
surface", the problem remains.
If we say the tumor protrudes from the bone, then the question is, from
which surface ?
Most bones have four surfaces; ventral/dorsal/medial-inner/lateral-outer.
Let alone the fact, that the need to specify outer has often to do with the
need to say that the tumor doesn't break through the surface of the bone
facing the medullary cavity.
Now, I know that maltz isn't a doctor, and I chose this example just in
order to answer to charghwI', that there are cases in which there is indeed
a need for a word, which would mean "surface".
And here is a simpler example:
The fire burnt only the pillow's surface; it didn't burn the feathers
inside.
Anyways, I can understand that no constructed language can have words for
everything. But I can't understand the need to avoid admitting that some
missing words can be indeed at times necessary.
As far as the interesting question "how would I describe cancer", the
answer is simple:
I would say from the start the name of the cancer, and then I would use
"disease":
"the disease broke through the bone".
It is something which actually happens, to refer to cancer by simply saying
{rop} "disease", once someone has said the cancer's name.
e.g.
The disease has spread
There is still residual disease
The disease went into remission
And in case someone wonders "how would you describe the cancer's name ?"
I would just say it. After all even in english, most of the cancers, don't
have english names:
Osteosarcoma, chondrosarcoma, liposarcoma; are greek words.
'a DaH paS, jIghung 'ej jIQongnIS..
~ changan qIj
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<div dir=3D"auto">Since I'm replying from my phone, I can't quote t=
he relevant parts of the messages.<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"a=
uto">At first glance, SuStel and voragh, your suggestions are interesting.<=
/div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Unfortunately though, wi=
thout having the means to express "exterior surface", the problem=
remains.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">If we say the =
tumor protrudes from the bone, then the question is, from which surface ?</=
div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Most bones have four surf=
aces; ventral/dorsal/medial-inner/lateral-outer. Let alone the fact, that t=
he need to specify outer has often to do with the need to say that the tumo=
r doesn't break through the surface of the bone facing the medullary ca=
vity.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Now, I know that m=
altz isn't a doctor, and I chose this example just in order to answer t=
o charghwI', that there are cases in which there is indeed a need for a=
word, which would mean "surface".</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></d=
iv><div dir=3D"auto">And here is a simpler example:</div><div dir=3D"auto">=
<br></div><div dir=3D"auto">The fire burnt only the pillow's surface; i=
t didn't burn the feathers inside.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><di=
v dir=3D"auto">Anyways, I can understand that no constructed language can h=
ave words for everything. But I can't understand the need to avoid admi=
tting that some missing words can be indeed at times necessary.</div><div d=
ir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">As far as the interesting question =
"how would I describe cancer", the answer is simple:</div><div di=
r=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">I would say from the start the name =
of the cancer, and then I would use "disease":</div><div dir=3D"a=
uto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">"the disease broke through the bone&q=
uot;.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">It is something wh=
ich actually happens, to refer to cancer by simply saying {rop} "disea=
se", once someone has said the cancer's name.</div><div dir=3D"aut=
o"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">e.g.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div d=
ir=3D"auto">The disease has spread</div><div dir=3D"auto">There is still re=
sidual disease</div><div dir=3D"auto">The disease went into remission</div>=
<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">And in case someone wonders &=
quot;how would you describe the cancer's name ?"</div><div dir=3D"=
auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">I would just say it. After all even in en=
glish, most of the cancers, don't have english names:</div><div dir=3D"=
auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Osteosarcoma, chondrosarcoma, liposarcoma=
; are greek words.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">'=
a DaH paS, jIghung 'ej jIQongnIS..</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><di=
v dir=3D"auto">~ changan qIj</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div></div>
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