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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Expressing exterior
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (SuStel)
Thu Mar 14 10:57:13 2019
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On 3/14/2019 10:38 AM, Daniel Dadap wrote:
>> On Mar 14, 2019, at 09:13, mayqel qunen'oS<mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> If I wrote, {juH Hur vInguvmoH}, would you understand it as "I paint
>> the exterior of the house" ?
> I would understand that as painting the areas outside of the house: the front yard and back yard, maybe even the street. But not the exterior walls.
Yes, I expect *Hur* means /area outside/ rather than /outer surface./
We have *HurDaq tu'HomI'raHvetlh yIlan*/Get that piece of junk out of
here!/ from KCD, which clearly uses *Hur* as /area outside./
/Paq'batlh/ uses it in
*qamchIy HurDaq
SuvwI'pu'Daj ra' qeylIS
SaqSub yIjaH*
/Outside Qam-Chee,
Kahless tells his warriors
To go to the Saq'sub./
This, by the way, unambiguously uses *ra'* as a verb of saying.
Then there is
*'ach botlhejQo' SuSuvQo'
vItlhejbej jIH
Hur ghom'a' wIqaD*
/Yet you will not join your blades with his,
I for one will stand with him
To face the hordes outside./
And this, by the way, gives an example of smooshing sentences together
to form a single idea: /you won't accompany + you won't fight = you
won't fight together./
Anyway, all these examples show that *Hur* means /area outside/ instead
of /outer surface./
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/14/2019 10:38 AM, Daniel Dadap
wrote:<br>
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">On Mar 14, 2019, at 09:13, mayqel qunen'oS <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:mihkoun@gmail.com" moz-do-not-send="true"><mihkoun@gmail.com></a> wrote:
If I wrote, {juH Hur vInguvmoH}, would you understand it as "I paint
the exterior of the house" ?
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">I would understand that as painting the areas outside of the house: the front yard and back yard, maybe even the street. But not the exterior walls.</pre>
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<p>Yes, I expect <b>Hur</b> means <i>area outside</i> rather than
<i>outer surface.</i></p>
<p>We have <b>HurDaq tu'HomI'raHvetlh yIlan</b><i> Get that piece
of junk out of here!</i> from KCD, which clearly uses <b>Hur</b>
as <i>area outside.</i></p>
<p><i>Paq'batlh</i> uses it in</p>
<blockquote>
<p><b>qamchIy HurDaq<br>
SuvwI'pu'Daj ra' qeylIS<br>
SaqSub yIjaH</b></p>
<p><i>Outside Qam-Chee,<br>
Kahless tells his warriors<br>
To go to the Saq'sub.</i></p>
</blockquote>
<p>This, by the way, unambiguously uses <b>ra'</b> as a verb of
saying.</p>
<p>Then there is</p>
<blockquote>
<p><b>'ach botlhejQo' SuSuvQo'<br>
vItlhejbej jIH<br>
Hur ghom'a' wIqaD</b></p>
<p><i>Yet you will not join your blades with his,<br>
I for one will stand with him<br>
To face the hordes outside.</i></p>
</blockquote>
<p>And this, by the way, gives an example of smooshing sentences
together to form a single idea: <i>you won't accompany + you
won't fight = you won't fight together.</i></p>
<p>Anyway, all these examples show that <b>Hur</b> means <i>area
outside</i> instead of <i>outer surface.</i><br>
</p>
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