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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] -meH with -pu'/-ta'
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (SuStel)
Wed Mar 13 10:31:52 2019
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On 3/13/2019 10:03 AM, mayqel qunen'oS wrote:
>
> There is something which doesn't sit with me so well, in the
> simultaneous use of -meH with -pu' or -ta'.
>
>
> Lets say I write:
>
>
> {vIghro' tIQ vIje'meH, HuchwIj Hoch vI'anmoHpu'}
>
> In order to buy the ancient cat, I went bankrupt.
>
>
> How would this be any different from writing:
>
>
> {vIghro' tIQ vIje'ta'meH, HuchwIj Hoch vI'anmoHpu'} ?
>
>
> First of all, it sounds weird to say {vIje'ta'meH} "in order that I
> have bought"; but that aside, is there any reason to use a -pu' or
> -ta' on the -meH part of the sentence, if I'm to use them in the part
> of the sentence that comes after the -meH ? Isn't the meaning the same
> in either case ?
>
*je'meH* isn't just an action, it's a /purpose./ I'm not sure what
having a completed purpose means. I know what completing having a
purpose means, but that's something different. I wouldn't put perfective
here unless I had a very good reason I could articulate.
I'm not sure how *'an* /waste /and *'anmoH*/sacrifice/ are related.
Shouldn't *Huch vI'an* mean /I waste money?/ And if so, shouldn't *Huch
vI'anmoH* mean either /I cause money to waste (something)/ or /I cause
(someone unspecified) to waste money?/
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/13/2019 10:03 AM, mayqel qunen'oS
wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:1jca3d563fc0lae1i637cfu9.1552485218211@email.android.com">
<p dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0;">There is
something which doesn't sit with me so well, in the simultaneous
use of -meH with -pu' or -ta'.</p>
<br>
<p dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0;">Lets say I
write:</p>
<br>
<p dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0;">{vIghro' tIQ
vIje'meH, HuchwIj Hoch vI'anmoHpu'}</p>
<p dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0;">In order to
buy the ancient cat, I went bankrupt.</p>
<br>
<p dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0;">How would this
be any different from writing:</p>
<br>
<p dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0;">{vIghro' tIQ
vIje'ta'meH, HuchwIj Hoch vI'anmoHpu'} ?</p>
<br>
<p dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0;">First of all,
it sounds weird to say {vIje'ta'meH} "in order that I have
bought"; but that aside, is there any reason to use a -pu' or
-ta' on the -meH part of the sentence, if I'm to use them in the
part of the sentence that comes after the -meH ? Isn't the
meaning the same in either case ?</p>
</blockquote>
<p><b>je'meH</b> isn't just an action, it's a <i>purpose.</i> I'm
not sure what having a completed purpose means. I know what
completing having a purpose means, but that's something different.
I wouldn't put perfective here unless I had a very good reason I
could articulate.</p>
<p>I'm not sure how <b>'an</b> <i>waste </i>and <b>'anmoH</b><i>
sacrifice</i> are related. Shouldn't <b>Huch vI'an</b> mean <i>I
waste money?</i> And if so, shouldn't <b>Huch vI'anmoH</b> mean
either <i>I cause money to waste (something)</i> or <i>I cause
(someone unspecified) to waste money?</i><br>
</p>
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