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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] bej and na' slang
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (qurgh lungqIj)
Tue Mar 12 13:21:37 2019
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From: qurgh lungqIj <qurgh@wizage.net>
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2019 13:21:20 -0400
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The canon from KGT:
{bej} ("be sure, definite, positive, certain")
The verb {bej} literally means "watch," though its slang usage is
probably influenced by the verb suffix {-bej} ("certainly, undoubtedly";
compare {voq,} "trust," and {voqbej,} "certainly trust"). It is used in
such forms as {jIbej} ("I am positive [about something I just
said]"---literally, "I watch" [{jI-,} "I"]) or {bIbej'a'?} ("Are you
sure?"---literally, "Do you watch?" [{bI-,} "you"; {-'a',} interrogative).
Unlike the verb {na'} ("be salty"), which has an identical slang meaning
(see below), the verb {bej} may be used when there is an object: {HIvrup
'e' vIbej} ("I am positive they're ready to attack"; literally, "I watch
that they're ready to attack"; {HIv,} "[they] attack"; {-rup,} "ready";
{'e',} "that"; {vI-,} "I [do something to] it"). The notions expressed by
{bej} can be conveyed without slang with a word such as {Honbe'} ("not
doubt") or by making use of the verb suffix {-bej,} as in {HIvrupbej}
("They're certainly ready to attack").
qurgh
On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 1:18 PM Daniel Dadap <daniel@dadap.net> wrote:
>
>
> > On Mar 12, 2019, at 11:41, mayqel qunen'oS <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I can't express it adequately in english.
> >
> > When we say a fact is certain, we mean that the fact is certain; it is
> actual, it can't be disputed.
> >
> > When we say jIbej, does it mean "I am certain", as in "I'm sure", or
> would it mean "I'm actual, undisputed, etc ?"
> >
>
> Ah, I think I understand your question now. It might help to re-ask it as
> something like =E2=80=9Cis the subject of {bej} a {ghot} who has no doubt=
, or a
> {ngoD} which can=E2=80=99t be disputed?
>
> To which I don=E2=80=99t know the answer, but my intuition is that it=E2=
=80=99s a person.
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">The canon from KGT:<br><br><div>=C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0{bej} ("be sure, definite, positive, certain")</div>=
<div><br></div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0The verb {bej} literally means &quo=
t;watch," though its slang usage is probably influenced by the verb su=
ffix {-bej} ("certainly, undoubtedly"; compare {voq,} "trust=
," and {voqbej,} "certainly trust"). It is used in such form=
s as {jIbej} ("I am positive [about something I just said]"---lit=
erally, "I watch" [{jI-,} "I"]) or {bIbej'a'?} =
("Are you sure?"---literally, "Do you watch?" [{bI-,} &=
quot;you"; {-'a',}=C2=A0 interrogative). Unlike the verb {na&#=
39;} ("be salty"), which has an identical slang meaning (see belo=
w), the verb {bej} may be used when=C2=A0 there is an object: {HIvrup '=
e' vIbej} ("I am positive they're ready to attack"; liter=
ally, "I watch that they're ready to attack"; {HIv,} "[t=
hey] attack"; {-rup,} "ready"; {'e',} "that&quo=
t;; {vI-,} "I [do something to] it"). The notions expressed by {b=
ej} can be conveyed without slang with a word such as {Honbe'} ("n=
ot doubt") or by making use of the verb suffix {-bej,} as in {HIvrupbe=
j} ("They're certainly ready to attack").<br><br>qurgh</div><=
/div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_a=
ttr">On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 1:18 PM Daniel Dadap <<a href=3D"mailto:dan=
iel@dadap.net">daniel@dadap.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rg=
b(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br>
<br>
> On Mar 12, 2019, at 11:41, mayqel qunen'oS <<a href=3D"mailto:m=
ihkoun@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">mihkoun@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> <br>
> I can't express it adequately in english.<br>
> <br>
> When we say a fact is certain, we mean that the fact is certain; it is=
actual, it can't be disputed.<br>
> <br>
> When we say jIbej, does it mean "I am certain", as in "=
I'm sure", or would it mean "I'm actual, undisputed, etc =
?"<br>
> <br>
<br>
Ah, I think I understand your question now. It might help to re-ask it as s=
omething like =E2=80=9Cis the subject of {bej} a {ghot} who has no doubt, o=
r a {ngoD} which can=E2=80=99t be disputed?<br>
<br>
To which I don=E2=80=99t know the answer, but my intuition is that it=E2=80=
=99s a person.<br>
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