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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] =?utf-8?b?4oCcV2hhdCBjb2xvciBpcyBpdD/igJ0=?=
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Daniel Dadap)
Sun Mar 10 22:58:59 2019
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Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2019 21:58:53 -0500
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On Mar 10, 2019, at 21:32, SuStel <sustel@trimboli.name> wrote:
>> My first instinct on how to ask that question was =E2=80=9Cchay' nguv?=E2=
=80=9D However, after I asked it that way, I immediately thought to myself t=
hat maybe that is asking about the means by which the car is colored (e.g. l=
aSvarghDaq lunguvmoHpu' nguvmoHmeH qoqmey=E2=80=9D) rather than its current s=
tate of coloration.
> It can't mean that; you'd have to ask chay' nguvmoHlu'pu' how has one tint=
ed it? to get that.
>=20
>=20
>=20
Ah, cool. In English =E2=80=9Chow=E2=80=9D can both ask a question of qualit=
y and a question of process (my own made up terminology; I=E2=80=99m sure th=
ere are better words I don=E2=80=99t know, or did know and have forgotten), a=
nd I wasn=E2=80=99t sure if {chay'} could also do both in Klingon. The examp=
les for {chay'} in TKD 6.4 did not include any questions of quality.
It makes sense that {chay'} with a verb of quality would form a question of q=
uality, but form a question of process when {-moH} is added. At least that=E2=
=80=99s what I think your example with {chay' nguv} vs. {chay' nguvmoHlu'pu'=
} generalizes out to.
>> So I reasked as =E2=80=9CDoq'a'? SuD'a'? chIS'a'? qIj'a'?=E2=80=9D
> That's really awful.
>=20
Agreed.
> KGT tells us:
>=20
D=E2=80=99oh; once again I failed to open a perfectly good book I have sitti=
ng on my shelf before asking the list. Apologies for the noise.=
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">On M=
ar 10, 2019, at 21:32, SuStel <<a href=3D"mailto:sustel@trimboli.name">su=
stel@trimboli.name</a>> wrote:</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><blockquot=
e type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><blockquote type=3D"cite" cite=3D"mid:0C485=
1B3-C98E-4E49-B2CA-BABCE601E00C@dadap.net" preoffsettop=3D"46"><pre class=3D=
"moz-quote-pre" wrap=3D"">My first instinct on how to ask that question was =E2=
=80=9Cchay' nguv?=E2=80=9D However, after I asked it that way, I immediately=
thought to myself that maybe that is asking about the means by which the ca=
r is colored (e.g. laSvarghDaq lunguvmoHpu' nguvmoHmeH qoqmey=E2=80=9D) rath=
er than its current state of coloration.</pre>
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<p>It can't mean that; you'd have to ask <b>chay' nguvmoHlu'pu'</b>
<i>how has one tinted it? </i>to get that.<br>
</p>
<p><br></p></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Ah, cool. In English =E2=
=80=9Chow=E2=80=9D can both ask a question of quality and a question of proc=
ess (my own made up terminology; I=E2=80=99m sure there are better words I d=
on=E2=80=99t know, or did know and have forgotten), and I wasn=E2=80=99t sur=
e if {chay'} could also do both in Klingon. The examples for {chay'} in TKD 6=
.4 did not include any questions of quality.</div><div><br></div><div>It mak=
es sense that {chay'} with a verb of quality would form a question of qualit=
y, but form a question of process when {-moH} is added. At least that=E2=80=99=
s what I think your example with {chay' nguv} vs. {chay' nguvmoHlu'pu'} gene=
ralizes out to.</div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><p>
</p>
<blockquote type=3D"cite" cite=3D"mid:0C4851B3-C98E-4E49-B2CA-BABCE601E0=
0C@dadap.net" preoffsettop=3D"345">
<pre class=3D"moz-quote-pre" wrap=3D"">So I reasked as =E2=80=9CDoq'a'=
? SuD'a'? chIS'a'? qIj'a'?=E2=80=9D</pre>
</blockquote>
<p>That's really awful.<br></p></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Ag=
reed.</div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><p>
</p>
<p>KGT tells us:</p></div></blockquote><br><div>D=E2=80=99oh; once again=
I failed to open a perfectly good book I have sitting on my shelf before as=
king the list. Apologies for the noise.</div></body></html>=
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