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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] the contradiction of yoda
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Will Martin)
Fri Mar 8 12:02:50 2019
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From: Will Martin <willmartin2@mac.com>
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2019 12:02:44 -0500
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This is just an opinion.
I was part of a square dance group that was torn between the dual =
missions of welcoming in new people, and developing a dance community =
that remained interesting for those who were interested in more advanced =
dances. Those who were focused on welcoming beginners stressed that the =
dances should all be kept simple. The others thought it would be enough =
to keep the first half of the evening simple for beginners, and then =
pull out the more interesting dances, suggesting that the beginners =
could watch and as they learn more, join in later.
The people focused on welcoming beginners won. All the dances were kept =
simple.
The advanced dancers left.=20
Unfortunately, the advanced dancers were also the callers and without =
callers, there weren=E2=80=99t any further dances. The community =
collapsed. It was replaced by a contra dance community, so it wasn=E2=80=99=
t a horrible ending, but, the point is that it=E2=80=99s good to keep a =
balance.
I think it=E2=80=99s okay to let SOME things through without focusing on =
the beginners, but it=E2=80=99s also important to keep enough content =
focused on beginners to keep them interested and help their development. =
Both activities should exist here.
So long as we don=E2=80=99t get carried away and forget that new =
students are important to the community, I think it=E2=80=99s okay to =
not SKI every message.
We tried putting out a separate list for those who wanted to post ONLY =
in Klingon without discussion or SKI, but it never caught on. I=E2=80=99m =
still a member, even though, thanks to the weirdness of configuration, I =
can=E2=80=99t post to it, or remove myself. Since nobody else posts to =
it, I just get a monthly automated reminder of the address I=E2=80=99m =
supposed to be able to log into to remove myself, though I can=E2=80=99t.
So, this is a topic that probably could be addressed better by the =
community than we=E2=80=99ve done so far. I respect and appreciate the =
efforts people have gone through to do this well, but we=E2=80=99re not =
quite perfect yet.
charghwI=E2=80=99 vaghnerya=E2=80=99ngan
rInpa=E2=80=99 bomnIS be=E2=80=99=E2=80=99a=E2=80=99 pI=E2=80=99.
> On Mar 8, 2019, at 9:27 AM, Jeffrey Clark <jmclark85@gmail.com> wrote:
>=20
>=20
>> ski: no ski. learn klingon. that's what you're here for.
>=20
> cha=E2=80=99 DaeSeqmeywIj: an SKI can be helpful for those learning =
Klingon as it gives them something to check their interpretation against =
=E2=80=94 especially when trying to interpret ambiguous or more =
=E2=80=9Cadvanced=E2=80=9D things.
>=20
> It=E2=80=99s pithy to say =E2=80=9Cjust learn Klingon=E2=80=9D, but =
from a pedagogical standpoint it=E2=80=99s likely more harmful than =
motivating for a new speaker.
>=20
> =E2=80=94jevreH
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class=3D"">This is just an opinion.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I was part of a square dance group that =
was torn between the dual missions of welcoming in new people, and =
developing a dance community that remained interesting for those who =
were interested in more advanced dances. Those who were focused on =
welcoming beginners stressed that the dances should all be kept simple. =
The others thought it would be enough to keep the first half of the =
evening simple for beginners, and then pull out the more interesting =
dances, suggesting that the beginners could watch and as they learn =
more, join in later.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">The people focused on welcoming beginners won. All the dances =
were kept simple.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">The advanced dancers left. </div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Unfortunately, the advanced dancers =
were also the callers and without callers, there weren=E2=80=99t any =
further dances. The community collapsed. It was replaced by a contra =
dance community, so it wasn=E2=80=99t a horrible ending, but, the point =
is that it=E2=80=99s good to keep a balance.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I think it=E2=80=99s okay to let SOME =
things through without focusing on the beginners, but it=E2=80=99s also =
important to keep enough content focused on beginners to keep them =
interested and help their development. Both activities should exist =
here.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">So long =
as we don=E2=80=99t get carried away and forget that new students are =
important to the community, I think it=E2=80=99s okay to not SKI every =
message.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">We =
tried putting out a separate list for those who wanted to post ONLY in =
Klingon without discussion or SKI, but it never caught on. I=E2=80=99m =
still a member, even though, thanks to the weirdness of configuration, I =
can=E2=80=99t post to it, or remove myself. Since nobody else posts to =
it, I just get a monthly automated reminder of the address I=E2=80=99m =
supposed to be able to log into to remove myself, though I =
can=E2=80=99t.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">So, this is a topic that probably could be addressed better =
by the community than we=E2=80=99ve done so far. I respect and =
appreciate the efforts people have gone through to do this well, but =
we=E2=80=99re not quite perfect yet.</div><br class=3D""><div class=3D"">
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class=3D"">On Mar 8, 2019, at 9:27 AM, Jeffrey Clark <<a =
href=3D"mailto:jmclark85@gmail.com" class=3D"">jmclark85@gmail.com</a>>=
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"">ski: no =
ski. learn klingon. that's what you're here for.<br =
class=3D""></blockquote><br class=3D"">cha=E2=80=99 DaeSeqmeywIj: an SKI =
can be helpful for those learning Klingon as it gives them something to =
check their interpretation against =E2=80=94 especially when trying to =
interpret ambiguous or more =E2=80=9Cadvanced=E2=80=9D things.<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">It=E2=80=99s pithy to say =E2=80=9Cjust learn =
Klingon=E2=80=9D, but from a pedagogical standpoint it=E2=80=99s likely =
more harmful than motivating for a new speaker.<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">=E2=80=94jevreH<br =
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