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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] loQ maw' ngoDvam 'a teH... (matlhejchuqtaH maH
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Will Martin)
Mon Mar 4 11:08:31 2019
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From: Will Martin <willmartin2@mac.com>
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2019 11:08:28 -0500
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I think it=E2=80=99s even MORE ambiguous than you do, because it could =
also mean =E2=80=9CI don=E2=80=99t want to actually DO anything with =
you. I just want to meditate and attain Oneness with the Universe in =
your presence. I only want to BE with you. If I=E2=80=99m not with you, =
I can get stuff done, but in your presence, there is no =E2=80=9Cdoing". =
There is only =E2=80=9Cbeing".
As for the interpretation that it means that I have no desire other than =
to be with you, which is likely what the song means, to me that just =
sounds icky in a clingy way that, at the very LEAST, disrespects other =
valid desires, like eating or urinating, or avoiding environmental =
hazards, like extreme temperature, or high wattage electricity passing =
through my body, or nuclear radiation; or desires for respect among =
members of my community, or financial security, or wisdom, or basic math =
skills, or confidence when navigating the bus routes, etc.
This is why I never translate poetry.
charghwI=E2=80=99 vaghnerya=E2=80=99ngan
rInpa=E2=80=99 bomnIS be=E2=80=99=E2=80=99a=E2=80=99 pI=E2=80=99.
> On Mar 4, 2019, at 9:06 AM, Daniel Dadap <daniel@dadap.net> wrote:
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> In case it it=E2=80=99s not obvious what Terran song these lyrics go =
with, this should be a sufficient clue: when reconstructing these =
original Klingon lyrics, I wasn=E2=80=99t sure what the scope of =
=E2=80=9Conly=E2=80=9D was in the line =E2=80=9CI only want to be with =
you=E2=80=9D. Does it mean I want to be with only you (and nobody else)? =
I want only to be with you (and I want nothing else)? Something else? I =
found it hard to resist the opportunity to say =E2=80=9CvIneH neH=E2=80=9D=
, so that kind of forces a meaning of =E2=80=9CI merely want to be with =
you=E2=80=9D, which may or may not be what the Terran version intended.
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-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">I think it=E2=80=99s even MORE ambiguous than you do, because =
it could also mean =E2=80=9CI don=E2=80=99t want to actually DO anything =
with you. I just want to meditate and attain Oneness with the Universe =
in your presence. I only want to BE with you. If I=E2=80=99m not with =
you, I can get stuff done, but in your presence, there is no =E2=80=9Cdoin=
g". There is only =E2=80=9Cbeing".</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">As for the interpretation that it means =
that I have no desire other than to be with you, which is likely what =
the song means, to me that just sounds icky in a clingy way that, at the =
very LEAST, disrespects other valid desires, like eating or urinating, =
or avoiding environmental hazards, like extreme temperature, or high =
wattage electricity passing through my body, or nuclear radiation; or =
desires for respect among members of my community, or financial =
security, or wisdom, or basic math skills, or confidence when navigating =
the bus routes, etc.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">This is why I never translate poetry.</div><br class=3D""><div =
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none;">charghwI=E2=80=99 vaghnerya=E2=80=99ngan<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">rInpa=E2=80=99 bomnIS be=E2=80=99=E2=80=99a=E2=80=99 =
pI=E2=80=99.</div><div style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, =
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<div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Mar 4, 2019, at 9:06 AM, Daniel Dadap <<a =
href=3D"mailto:daniel@dadap.net" class=3D"">daniel@dadap.net</a>> =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><span =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: =
12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: =
normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; =
display: inline !important;" class=3D"">In case it it=E2=80=99s not =
obvious what Terran song these lyrics go with, this should be a =
sufficient clue: when reconstructing these original Klingon lyrics, I =
wasn=E2=80=99t sure what the scope of =E2=80=9Conly=E2=80=9D was in the =
line =E2=80=9CI only want to be with you=E2=80=9D. Does it mean I want =
to be with only you (and nobody else)? I want only to be with you (and I =
want nothing else)? Something else? I found it hard to resist the =
opportunity to say =E2=80=9CvIneH neH=E2=80=9D, so that kind of forces a =
meaning of =E2=80=9CI merely want to be with you=E2=80=9D, which may or =
may not be what the Terran version intended.</span><br =
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12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: =
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