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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Using -ta' during -taHvIS
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Daniel Dadap)
Wed Feb 27 00:34:32 2019
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Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2019 23:34:25 -0600
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On Feb 26, 2019, at 21:19, De'vID <de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, 26 Feb 2019 at 15:20, Daniel Dadap <daniel@dadap.net> wrote:
>> As for the rule resolving possible conflicts in aspect between a verb and=
its object sentence, perhaps that=E2=80=99s the reason, but I don=E2=80=99t=
see why the aspect of a verb taking an SAO and the verb in its SAO have to a=
gree in the first place.
>=20
>=20
> What do you mean by "agree"? They don't have to be the same (which you see=
m to imply), but they can't be incompatible.
Okay. Yes, =E2=80=9Cthe aspects should be the same=E2=80=9D is what I though=
t you meant when you were talking about preventing contradictory aspects, wh=
ich didn=E2=80=99t seem like something that needed preventing to me, hence t=
he examples. Apologies for the misunderstanding.
Thanks for the Skybox counter-examples of the =E2=80=9Cno aspect marker on v=
erb taking SAO=E2=80=9D rule. I=E2=80=99m constantly saying things like {(qa=
S vay') 'e' vIHar'pu'} to mean that I *had* believed that whatever the {(qaS=
vay')} placeholder represents was true, but that believing is completed aft=
er some new information caused me to no longer believe it. Then I remember t=
hat I=E2=80=99m not allowed to say {'e' vIHarpu'}. Of course, those counter-=
examples aren=E2=80=99t license to violate the rule given in TKD, but at lea=
st I won=E2=80=99t feel quite so bad about the occasional inevitable slip-up=
s when I say I {vIHarpu'} some sentence.=
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr"></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br=
></div><div dir=3D"ltr">On Feb 26, 2019, at 21:19, De'vID <<a href=3D"mai=
lto:de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com">de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br><=
/div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div preoffsettop=3D"55"><bl=
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<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, 26 Feb 2019 at 15:20, Daniel D=
adap <<a href=3D"mailto:daniel@dadap.net">daniel@dadap.net</a>> wrote:=
</div></blockquote><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px=
0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" preoffse=
ttop=3D"101"><div dir=3D"auto"><div><div>As for the rule resolving possible c=
onflicts in aspect between a verb and its object sentence, perhaps that=E2=80=
=99s the reason, but I don=E2=80=99t see why the aspect of a verb taking an S=
AO and the verb in its SAO have to agree in the first place. </div></div></d=
iv></blockquote></div><div><br></div><div>What do you mean by "agree"? They d=
on't have to be the same (which you seem to imply), but they can't be incomp=
atible.</div></div></blockquote><br><div>Okay. Yes, =E2=80=9Cthe aspects sho=
uld be the same=E2=80=9D is what I thought you meant when you were talking a=
bout preventing contradictory aspects, which didn=E2=80=99t seem like someth=
ing that needed preventing to me, hence the examples. Apologies for the misu=
nderstanding.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks for the Skybox counter-example=
s of the =E2=80=9Cno aspect marker on verb taking SAO=E2=80=9D rule. I=E2=80=
=99m constantly saying things like {(qaS vay') 'e' vIHar'pu'} to mean that I=
*had* believed that whatever the {(qaS vay')} placeholder represents was tr=
ue, but that believing is completed after some new information caused me to n=
o longer believe it. Then I remember that I=E2=80=99m not allowed to say {'e=
' vIHarpu'}. Of course, those counter-examples aren=E2=80=99t license to vio=
late the rule given in TKD, but at least I won=E2=80=99t feel quite so bad a=
bout the occasional inevitable slip-ups when I say I {vIHarpu'} some sentenc=
e.</div></body></html>=
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