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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] If there is not an english mis- de- dis- word ?
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Felix Malmenbeck)
Mon Feb 25 12:38:04 2019
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Not at all; from an in-universe perspective, Klingon and English developed =
on completely different worlds, so there would have been no way for them to=
develop such a close correspondence of terms, except through some cosmic c=
oincidence.
Translations will usually be acts of approximation. -Ha' expresses that the=
verb it is attached to is undone, or done incorrectly, which often corresp=
onds to adding mis-, de-, dis- or un- in English, but not always. There are=
many cases where adding -Ha' is perfectly natural in Klingon is perfectly =
natural while adding one of the aforementioned prefixes in English would so=
und really weird, or suggest a different meaning.
For example, {jotlh} means "take down", and {jotlhHa'} has been translated =
as "put back up". Saying "untake down" or "take undown" would sound very st=
range.
http://klingonska.org/canon/1997-04-07-email.txt
{lIt} means "get on", and {lItHa'} has been translated as "get off". Again,=
"unget on" or "get unon" would sound very strange.
http://klingonska.org/canon/1994-09-holqed-03-3-b.txt
{lay'} means "promise", and {lay'Ha'} has been translated as "break one's w=
ord" (KGT, TKW). It could perhaps also describe the act of telling a promis=
e that one has no intent of keeping, even though we would describe that usi=
ng another term in English.
//loghaD
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Subject: [tlhIngan Hol] If there is not an english mis- de- dis- word ?
Adding the -Ha' on a klingon verb, produces the meaning of mis-, de-, dis-.
Does this mean, that if there isn't a corresponding mis-, de-, dis- english=
word, the klingon word can't take the -Ha' ?
~ Capricorn
(pong vIwIvlaHbe' jay'!)
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<p>Not at all; from an in-universe perspective, Klingon and English develop=
ed on completely different worlds, so there would have been no way for them=
to develop such a close correspondence of terms, except through some cosmi=
c coincidence.</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>Translations will usually be acts of approximation. -Ha' expresses =
that the verb it is attached to is undone, or done incorrectly,&n=
bsp;which often corresponds to adding mis-, de-, dis- or un- in Englis=
h, but not always. There are many cases where adding -Ha'
is perfectly natural in Klingon is perfectly natural while adding one of t=
he aforementioned prefixes in English would sound really weird, or suggest =
a different meaning.<br>
</p>
<p><br>
For example, {jotlh} means "take down", and {jotlhHa'} =
has been translated as "put back up". Saying "unta=
ke down" or "take undown" would sound very strange.</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p><a href=3D"http://klingonska.org/canon/1997-04-07-email.txt">http://klin=
gonska.org/canon/1997-04-07-email.txt</a></p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>{lIt} means "get on", and {lItHa'} has been translated as &quo=
t;get off". Again, "unget on" or "get unon" would =
sound very strange.</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p><a href=3D"http://klingonska.org/canon/1994-09-holqed-03-3-b.txt">http:/=
/klingonska.org/canon/1994-09-holqed-03-3-b.txt</a></p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>{lay'} means "promise", and {lay'Ha'} has been translated as &=
quot;break one's word" (KGT, TKW). It could perhaps also describe the =
act of telling a promise that one has no intent of keeping, even though we =
would describe that using another term in English.</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>//loghaD<br>
</p>
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<p dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0">Adding the -Ha' on a=
klingon verb, produces the meaning of mis-, de-, dis-.</p>
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<p dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0">Does this mean, that=
if there isn't a corresponding mis-, de-, dis- english word, the klingon w=
ord can't take the -Ha' ?</p>
<br>
<p dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0">~ Capricorn </p>
<p dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0">(pong vIwIvlaHbe' ja=
y'!)</p>
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