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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] negating adverbials
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (De'vID)
Mon Feb 25 00:06:22 2019
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Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2019 06:06:08 +0100
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On Mon, 25 Feb 2019 at 03:13, Daniel Dadap <daniel@dadap.net> wrote:
>
> {reH qaSbe'}
> {tlhoy nI'be' HaSta tavam 'e' vItul}
>
> The intended meanings were =E2=80=9CIt didn=E2=80=99t always happen=E2=80=
=9D and =E2=80=9CI hope this
> visual record is not too long=E2=80=9D, respectively, but upon review, it=
seems
> like out of context (maybe even in context) they mean =E2=80=9Cit always =
didn=E2=80=99t
> happen=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9CI hope this visual record is too not long=E2=
=80=9D, respectively.
>
There's one canon sentence which might indicate that {-be'} applied to a
verb with an adverbial negates the adverbial:
{Hoch DaSopbe'chugh batlh bIHeghbe'.} "Eat everything or you will die
without honor." (Power Klingon)
But the grammar was never explained, and it's only one example, and
arguably the meaning doesn't change whether the verb or the adverbial is
negated ("one does not die with honour" is the same as "one dies without
honour", if you assume everyone dies, so the statement is true for all
mortals at least).
Possibly relevant:
{nom yIghoSqu'!} "Maximum speed!" (Star Trek V)
Here, the rover {-qu'} is attached to {ghoS}, but the emphasis is actually
being placed on {nom}. Perhaps {-be'} and {-qu'} act on the adverbial under
certain circumstances, such as when the verb has no other suffixes except
the rover (or maybe at most a type 9 suffix), but that would be speculation=
.
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De'vID
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></d=
iv><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On =
Mon, 25 Feb 2019 at 03:13, Daniel Dadap <<a href=3D"mailto:daniel@dadap.=
net">daniel@dadap.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_qu=
ote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,20=
4);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto"><div><br></div><div>{reH qaSbe'}=
</div><div>{tlhoy nI'be' HaSta tavam 'e' vItul}</div><div><=
br></div><div>The intended meanings were =E2=80=9CIt didn=E2=80=99t always =
happen=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9CI hope this visual record is not too long=E2=
=80=9D, respectively, but upon review, it seems like out of context (maybe =
even in context) they mean =E2=80=9Cit always didn=E2=80=99t happen=E2=80=
=9D and =E2=80=9CI hope this visual record is too not long=E2=80=9D, respec=
tively.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>There's one canon s=
entence which might indicate that {-be'} applied to a verb with an adve=
rbial negates the adverbial:</div><div>{Hoch DaSopbe'chugh batlh bIHegh=
be'.} "Eat everything or you will die without honor." (Power =
Klingon)=C2=A0</div></div><div><br></div><div>But the grammar was never exp=
lained, and it's only one example, and arguably the meaning doesn't=
change whether the verb or the adverbial is negated ("one does not di=
e with honour" is the same as "one dies without honour", if =
you assume everyone dies, so the statement is true for all mortals at least=
).</div><div><br></div><div>Possibly relevant:</div><div>{nom yIghoSqu'=
!} "Maximum speed!" (Star Trek V)</div><div><br></div><div>Here, =
the rover {-qu'} is attached to {ghoS}, but the emphasis is actually be=
ing placed on {nom}. Perhaps {-be'} and {-qu'} act on the adverbial=
under certain circumstances, such as when the verb has no other suffixes e=
xcept the rover (or maybe at most a type 9 suffix), but that would be specu=
lation.</div><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signatur=
e">De'vID</div></div></div></div>
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