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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Asking "why do I need to be there ?"
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Will Martin)
Sat Feb 23 11:07:45 2019
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From: Will Martin <willmartin2@mac.com>
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2019 11:07:38 -0500
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One of the differences between American Sign Language and Signed English is t=
hat ASL does not have a verb =E2=80=9Cto be=E2=80=9D and doesn=E2=80=99t fee=
l a loss for it. Adding it is one of the things about Signed English that an=
noys Deaf people.
The result is similar to Klingon. Instead of saying =E2=80=9CI am tall,=E2=80=
=9D ASL speaker would just say =E2=80=9CMe tall, me,=E2=80=9D or either of t=
he single =E2=80=9Cme=E2=80=9D word orders. Word order in ASL is not importa=
nt, except when it is.
Sent from my iPad
> On Feb 22, 2019, at 5:26 PM, Daniel Dadap <daniel@dadap.net> wrote:
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>> On Feb 22, 2019, at 15:05, Lieven L. Litaer <levinius@gmx.de> wrote:
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>> Isn't there anyone here who speaks arabic, or a different languages that h=
as not to-be verb? That would interesting to find out how they do that.
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> Actually Arabic DOES have a verb =E2=80=9Cto be=E2=80=9D; it=E2=80=99s jus=
t not used as a copula in the present tense. (It also has a different and ve=
ry interesting verb-like particle used as a negative copula.) I=E2=80=99m ve=
ry rusty in Arabic so I=E2=80=99m not going to embarrass myself by attemptin=
g a translation of =E2=80=9Cwhy do I need to be there=E2=80=9D in Arabic, bu=
t I don=E2=80=99t really believe the =E2=80=9Cto be=E2=80=9D in this English=
sentence truly means =E2=80=9Cto be=E2=80=9D in an existential or identity s=
ense.
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> Usually when we use pronouns as copulas in Klingon for =E2=80=9Cto be=E2=80=
=9D sentences, we=E2=80=99re really talking about identity (tlhIngan maH; ra=
S 'oH; HoD ghaH; yIH bIH), which is not the case in this sentence. =E2=80=9C=
Why do I need to be there=E2=80=9D is really asking why my presence is requi=
red, which is why in my Klingon suggestions I used jISaHnIS and vIpoQlu'.
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">One of the differences between American Sig=
n Language and Signed English is that ASL does not have a verb =E2=80=9Cto b=
e=E2=80=9D and doesn=E2=80=99t feel a loss for it. Adding it is one of the t=
hings about Signed English that annoys Deaf people.<div><br></div><div>The r=
esult is similar to Klingon. Instead of saying =E2=80=9CI am tall,=E2=80=9D A=
SL speaker would just say =E2=80=9CMe tall, me,=E2=80=9D or either of the si=
ngle =E2=80=9Cme=E2=80=9D word orders. Word order in ASL is not important, e=
xcept when it is.<br><br><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature" dir=3D"ltr">Sent fro=
m my iPad</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On Feb 22, 2019, at 5:26 PM, Daniel Dada=
p <<a href=3D"mailto:daniel@dadap.net">daniel@dadap.net</a>> wrote:<br=
><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><meta http-equiv=3D"co=
ntent-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8"><div dir=3D"ltr"><span></=
span></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><span></span></div><div dir=3D"=
ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"></div><div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"direction: rtl;"><br><=
/div><div dir=3D"ltr">On Feb 22, 2019, at 15:05, Lieven L. Litaer <<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:levinius@gmx.de">levinius@gmx.de</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><bl=
ockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">Isn't there anyone here who speaks a=
rabic, or a different languages that has not to-be verb? That would interest=
ing to find out how they do that.</div></blockquote><br><div>Actually Arabic=
DOES have a verb =E2=80=9Cto be=E2=80=9D; it=E2=80=99s just not used as a c=
opula in the present tense. (It also has a different and very interesting ve=
rb-like particle used as a negative copula.) I=E2=80=99m very rusty in Arabi=
c so I=E2=80=99m not going to embarrass myself by attempting a translation o=
f =E2=80=9Cwhy do I need to be there=E2=80=9D in Arabic, but I don=E2=80=99t=
really believe the =E2=80=9Cto be=E2=80=9D in this English sentence truly m=
eans =E2=80=9Cto be=E2=80=9D in an existential or identity sense.</div><div>=
<br></div><div>Usually when we use pronouns as copulas in Klingon for =E2=80=
=9Cto be=E2=80=9D sentences, we=E2=80=99re really talking about identity (tl=
hIngan maH; raS 'oH; HoD ghaH; yIH bIH), which is not the case in this sente=
nce. =E2=80=9CWhy do I need to be there=E2=80=9D is really asking why my pre=
sence is required, which is why in my Klingon suggestions I used jISaHnIS an=
d vIpoQlu'.</div></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr"><span>_______________________________________________</span><=
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