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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Asking "why do I need to be there ?"
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (De'vID)
Sat Feb 23 00:59:10 2019
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From: "De'vID" <de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2019 06:58:54 +0100
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On Fri, 22 Feb 2019 at 20:12, SuStel <sustel@trimboli.name> wrote:
> I prefer to use *-taH* when I'm talking about a movable object that may
> just happen to be somewhere at the moment, but not to use *-taH* when the
> object is fixed. *vaS'a'Daq 'oH puchpa''e' 'ej puchpa'Daq ghaHtaH
> Qang'e'.* But this is not an official rule and cannot be consistently
> demonstrated in the canon.
>
Here are the examples I found in canon of {'oHtaH}/{ghaHtaH}:
bIQ'a'Daq 'oHtaH 'etlh'e'.
DujHomDaq ghaHtaH.
meyrI'Daq 'oHtaH gho'e'.
pa'DajDaq ghaHtaH la''e'.
pa' 'oHtaH vaS'a''e'.
loS... qIb HeHDaq, 'u' SepmeyDaq Sovbe'lu'bogh lenglu'meH He ghoSlu'bogh
retlhDaq 'oHtaH.
No {-taH} on the location of the "1st Construction Site":
tlhIngan juHqo'Daq tlhIng yoSDaq 'oH toQDuj chenmoHlu'meH Daq wa'DIch'e'.
I couldn't find any other examples of {naDev/pa'/[something]Daq ghaH/'oH}
though I could've just missed them.
I believe the rule is fairly consistent. The location of "1st Construction
Site" is a historical fact. It cannot be moved (barring time travel and
changing history). OTOH, while we think of "the Great Hall" as a giant
building, it's actually just a label for where the High Council usually
meets. I guess we don't know much about whether or how often the Great Hall
has "moved" in Klingon history, but on Earth, at least, a number of
countries have moved their Parliaments or seats of government throughout
history due to wars and whatnot. Another example of a label like this is
"Air Force One": technically, it applies to any aircraft carrying the
American President. But it's become associated with a specific aircraft,
the one most commonly used for this purpose.
As for DS9, arguably, it is in fact movable (capable of self-generated
thrust).
There may not be enough examples to extrapolate a rule, but there's at
least a pattern.
btw, questions never take {-taH}:
nuqDaq ghaH ngevwI''e'?
nuqDaq 'oH bIQ'a' HeH'e'?
nuqDaq 'oH jengva''e'?
nuqDaq 'oH puchpa''e'?
nuqDaq 'oH Qe' QaQ'e'?
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On Fri, 22 Feb 2019 at 20:12, SuStel <<a href=3D"mailto:sustel@trimboli.=
name">sustel@trimboli.name</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gma=
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<div class=3D"gmail-m_-1398435498651895048moz-cite-prefix">I prefer to =
use <b>-taH</b> when I'm talking about a movable
object that may just happen to be somewhere at the moment, but not
to use <b>-taH</b> when the object is fixed. <b>vaS'a'Daq =
9;oH
puchpa''e' 'ej puchpa'Daq ghaHtaH Qang'e=
9;.</b> But this is not
an official rule and cannot be consistently demonstrated in the
canon.</div></div></blockquote></div><div><br></div><div>Here are the=
examples I found in canon of {'oHtaH}/{ghaHtaH}:</div><div>bIQ'a&#=
39;Daq 'oHtaH 'etlh'e'.<br></div><div>DujHomDaq ghaHtaH.</d=
iv><div>meyrI'Daq 'oHtaH gho'e'.<br></div><div>pa'DajDa=
q ghaHtaH la''e'.<br></div><div><div>pa' 'oHtaH vaS'=
;a''e'.</div><div>loS... qIb HeHDaq, 'u' SepmeyDaq Sovb=
e'lu'bogh lenglu'meH He ghoSlu'bogh retlhDaq 'oHtaH.<br=
></div></div><div><br></div><div>No {-taH} on the location of the "1st=
Construction Site":</div><div>tlhIngan juHqo'Daq tlhIng yoSDaq &#=
39;oH toQDuj chenmoHlu'meH Daq wa'DIch'e'.</div><div><br></=
div><div>I couldn't find any other examples of {naDev/pa'/[somethin=
g]Daq ghaH/'oH} though I could've just missed them.</div><div><br><=
/div><div>I believe the rule is fairly consistent. The location of "1s=
t Construction Site" is a historical fact. It cannot be moved (barring=
time travel and changing history). OTOH, while we think of "the Great=
Hall" as a giant building, it's actually just a label for where t=
he High Council usually meets. I guess we don't know much about whether=
or how often the Great Hall has "moved" in Klingon history, but =
on Earth, at least, a number of countries have moved their Parliaments or s=
eats of government throughout history due to wars and whatnot. Another exam=
ple of a label like this is "Air Force One": technically, it appl=
ies to any aircraft carrying the American President. But it's become as=
sociated with a specific aircraft, the one most commonly used for this purp=
ose.</div><div><br></div><div>As for DS9, arguably, it is in fact movable (=
capable of self-generated thrust).</div><div><br></div><div>There may not b=
e enough examples to extrapolate a rule, but there's at least a pattern=
.</div><div><br></div><div>btw, questions never take {-taH}:</div><div>nuqD=
aq ghaH ngevwI''e'?<br></div><div>nuqDaq 'oH bIQ'a'=
HeH'e'?</div><div>nuqDaq 'oH jengva''<span class=3D"gm=
ail-il">e</span>'?<br></div><div>nuqDaq 'oH puchpa''e'?=
</div><div>nuqDaq 'oH Qe' QaQ'e'?<br></div><div><br></div>-=
- <br><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature">De'vID</div></div></di=
v></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
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