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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Asking "why do I need to be there ?"
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (SuStel)
Fri Feb 22 14:12:32 2019
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Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2019 14:12:27 -0500
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On 2/22/2019 2:07 PM, mayqel qunen'oS wrote:
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> I have thought of that solution.
>
>
> But using a pronoun instead of SaH, is often done; e.g. "the sword is
> in the ocean" from tkd.
>
>
> So, I think that choosing to ask by saying {qatlh pa' jIHnIS} or
> {qatlh pa' jIHnIStaH} is a valid option.
>
>
> But I don't know which of the two is the correct choice.
>
I can't say that doing this is wrong, but it's not ideal. Daniel's
response is better. The more meaning you try to load onto a pronoun, the
more awkward it will be.
That said, if you /have/ to say it this way — and you almost certainly
don't — what you're really asking is whether you need to use *-taH* to
indicate some kind of ongoingness or temporariness of your location. The
answer is that we don't know. Okrand is inconsistent with his usage of this.
I prefer to use *-taH* when I'm talking about a movable object that may
just happen to be somewhere at the moment, but not to use *-taH* when
the object is fixed. *vaS'a'Daq 'oH puchpa''e' 'ej puchpa'Daq ghaHtaH
Qang'e'.* But this is not an official rule and cannot be consistently
demonstrated in the canon.
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/22/2019 2:07 PM, mayqel qunen'oS
wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:fr93dnc3djlfnt1vskqma785.1550862302805@email.android.com">
<p dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0;">I have thought
of that solution.</p>
<br>
<p dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0;">But using a
pronoun instead of SaH, is often done; e.g. "the sword is in the
ocean" from tkd. </p>
<br>
<p dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0;">So, I think
that choosing to ask by saying {qatlh pa' jIHnIS} or {qatlh pa'
jIHnIStaH} is a valid option.</p>
<br>
<p dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0;">But I don't
know which of the two is the correct choice.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>I can't say that doing this is wrong, but it's not ideal.
Daniel's response is better. The more meaning you try to load onto
a pronoun, the more awkward it will be.<br>
</p>
<p>That said, if you <i>have</i> to say it this way — and you
almost certainly don't — what you're really asking is whether you
need to use <b>-taH</b> to indicate some kind of ongoingness or
temporariness of your location. The answer is that we don't know.
Okrand is inconsistent with his usage of this.</p>
<p>I prefer to use <b>-taH</b> when I'm talking about a movable
object that may just happen to be somewhere at the moment, but not
to use <b>-taH</b> when the object is fixed. <b>vaS'a'Daq 'oH
puchpa''e' 'ej puchpa'Daq ghaHtaH Qang'e'.</b> But this is not
an official rule and cannot be consistently demonstrated in the
canon.<br>
</p>
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