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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Why not law'wI'pu' ?
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Will Martin)
Fri Feb 22 08:43:41 2019
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From: Will Martin <willmartin2@mac.com>
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2019 08:43:36 -0500
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Okay, during coffee intake (perhaps before enough of it kicked in), a =
lightening-like idea hit me for using {law=E2=80=99wI=E2=80=99pu=E2=80=99}=
. Yes, it=E2=80=99s weird:
reH tlhIngan yoH law=E2=80=99, tera=E2=80=99ngan yoH puS. SuvDI=E2=80=99, =
reH puSwI=E2=80=99pu' jey law=E2=80=99wI=E2=80=99pu=E2=80=99 net Sov.
As further evidence, I suggest that {puSwI=E2=80=99} is the etymological =
root of an English derogatory term that sounds similar.
charghwI=E2=80=99 vaghnerya=E2=80=99ngan
rInpa=E2=80=99 bomnIS be=E2=80=99=E2=80=99a=E2=80=99 pI=E2=80=99.
> On Feb 22, 2019, at 3:40 AM, Lieven L. Litaer <levinius@gmx.de> wrote:
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> I lost the original to message to quote it, but mayqel said he felt =
strange using {law'wI'}.
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> The reason is that {law'wI'pu'} does not mean "the many" but the "ones =
who are many". Again: it does not mean "those multiple people who are =
lots of single persons altogether" but it means "those people of which =
each single one is many" which makes no sense.
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> So, IMHO, {law'wI'} "thing/person which is many" makes no sense at =
all.
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> Unless, maybe, in situations where the Borg queen said "I am the one =
who is many", but that's a very unusual situation, even in English.
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> If I'd use {law'wI'pu'} in a sentence, it sounds like "the manyers" in =
English.
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> ....but this is not English ...
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> Still, this is an interesting question that cannot be answered =
entirely, as Maltz may tell us other things about that. What about =
{mapuS} or {malaw'}? Isn't that "we are many"?
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> Based on this phrase
> {Doq SuvwI'pu'; DoqwI'pu' vIlegh.}
> the following should be acceptable too:
> {law' SuvwI'pu'; law'wI'pu' vIlegh.}
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> Okay, now I'm eating my own statement... :-/
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> --=20
> Lieven L. Litaer
> aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany"
> http://www.klingonisch.de
> http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/Many
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class=3D"">Okay, during coffee intake (perhaps before enough of it =
kicked in), a lightening-like idea hit me for using {law=E2=80=99wI=E2=80=99=
pu=E2=80=99}. Yes, it=E2=80=99s weird:</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">reH tlhIngan yoH law=E2=80=99, =
tera=E2=80=99ngan yoH puS. SuvDI=E2=80=99, reH puSwI=E2=80=99pu' jey =
law=E2=80=99wI=E2=80=99pu=E2=80=99 net Sov.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">As further evidence, I suggest that =
{puSwI=E2=80=99} is the etymological root of an English derogatory term =
that sounds similar.</div><br class=3D""><div class=3D"">
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none;">charghwI=E2=80=99 vaghnerya=E2=80=99ngan<br class=3D""><br =
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<div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Feb 22, 2019, at 3:40 AM, Lieven L. Litaer <<a =
href=3D"mailto:levinius@gmx.de" class=3D"">levinius@gmx.de</a>> =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">I lost the original to message to quote it, but mayqel said =
he felt strange using {law'wI'}.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">The reason =
is that {law'wI'pu'} does not mean "the many" but the "ones who are =
many". Again: it does not mean "those multiple people who are lots of =
single persons altogether" but it means "those people of which each =
single one is many" which makes no sense.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">So,=
IMHO, {law'wI'} "thing/person which is many" makes no sense at all.<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">Unless, maybe, in situations where the Borg =
queen said "I am the one who is many", but that's a very unusual =
situation, even in English.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">If I'd use =
{law'wI'pu'} in a sentence, it sounds like "the manyers" in English.<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">....but this is not English ...<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">Still, this is an interesting question that =
cannot be answered entirely, as Maltz may tell us other things about =
that. What about {mapuS} or {malaw'}? Isn't that "we are many"?<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">Based on this phrase<br class=3D"">{Doq =
SuvwI'pu'; DoqwI'pu' vIlegh.}<br class=3D"">the following should be =
acceptable too:<br class=3D"">{law' SuvwI'pu'; law'wI'pu' vIlegh.}<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">Okay, now I'm eating my own statement... =
:-/<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br class=3D"">-- <br class=3D"">Lieven =
L. Litaer<br class=3D"">aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany"<br =
class=3D""><a href=3D"http://www.klingonisch.de" =
class=3D"">http://www.klingonisch.de</a><br =
class=3D"">http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/Many<br =
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