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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Meta: Discussions about new words found in
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Steven Boozer)
Mon Oct 30 04:30:48 2017
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From: Steven Boozer <sboozer@uchicago.edu>
To: "tlhingan-hol@kli.org" <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2017 18:44:32 +0000
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For those who've seen the episode... Is the "mycelial plane" similar to "fl=
uidic space" from VOYAGER, the extra-dimensional realm of Species 8472.
Sir'o' then would be a type of tlhoQ conglomeration? pat system/grid? Or e=
ven DaH array/bank (of weapons, etc.)? Possibly a type of qo' realm/world?
--Voragh
From: Wil Czak
On Wed, 25 Oct 2017 06:58:19 -0700, Felix Malmenbeck <felixm@kth.se<mailto:=
felixm@kth.se>> wrote:
=3D=3D SIr'o' =3D=3D
(noun) I'm fairly certain that this means "mycelium", in part because there=
's a pun (look up "mycelium" on Wikipedia and you'll find it quite quickly)=
, and also because it works with all of the examples.
However, the examples are also consistent with something like "network", "s=
tructure" or "plane"; perhaps by analogy it has come to mean both.
From episode 4 ("The Butcher's Knife ..."):
"This ships spore drive travels on a network of mycelium that's spread acro=
ss the entire galaxy."
{qIb naQ velbogh 'atlhqam SIr'o' leng Dujvam SanmIr QuQ.}
"... when it exited from the mycelial plane."
{... 'atlhqam SIr'o' mejDI'.}
Based on the text of the Wikipedia article, "shiro" and "mycelium" are syno=
nyms (both meaning a mass of hyphae). Given that, I suspect this might be a=
case of Okrand telling Lieven "just transliterate the English word" rather=
than a pun. Thus, the whole phrase <'atlhqam SIr'o'> probably means "mycel=
ium", with <'atlhqam> included to contextualize the transliterated English =
word (well, Japanese loan-word) "shiro". So it's "fungal shiro" as opposed =
to some other kind of shiro (for example, the Ethiopian stew I just now lea=
rned about while googling "shiro").
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">For those who’ve seen the episo=
de… Is the “mycelial plane” similar to “fluidic spa=
ce” from VOYAGER, the extra-dimensional realm of Species 8472.<o:p></=
o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"=
;Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Sir’o’</span></b><span=
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color=
:#1F497D"> then would be a type of
<b>tlhoQ</b> <i>conglomeration</i>? <b>pat</b> <i>system/grid</i>? Or=
even <b>DaH</b>
<i>array/bank</i> (of weapons, <i>etc</i>.)? Possibly a type of <b>qo=
’</b> <i>realm/world</i>?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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libri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">--Voragh<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><span style=3D"fon=
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span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">=
Wil Czak<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-f=
amily:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">On Wed, 25 Oct 2017 06:58=
:19 -0700, Felix Malmenbeck <<a href=3D"mailto:felixm@kth.se">felixm@kth=
.se</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style=3D"font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">=
=3D=3D SIr'o' =3D=3D<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">(=
noun) I'm fairly certain that this means "mycelium", in part beca=
use there's a pun (look up "mycelium" on Wikipedia and you'll fin=
d it quite quickly), and also because it works with all of the examples.<o:=
p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">H=
owever, the examples are also consistent with something like "network&=
quot;, "structure" or "plane"; perhaps by analogy it ha=
s come to mean both.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><=
o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">F=
rom episode 4 ("The Butcher's Knife ..."):<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><=
o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">&=
quot;This ships spore drive travels on a network of mycelium that's spread =
across the entire galaxy."<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span class=3D"uficommentbody"><span style=3D"font-family:"Calibri&=
quot;,sans-serif;color:black">{qIb naQ velbogh 'atlhqam SIr'o' leng Dujvam =
SanmIr QuQ.</span></span><span style=3D"font-family:"Calibri",san=
s-serif;color:black">}<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">&=
nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">&=
quot;... when it exited from the mycelial plane."<o:p></o:p></span></p=
>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">{=
... 'atlhqam SIr'o' mejDI'.}<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Calibri",sans-=
serif;color:black">Based on the text of the Wikipedia article, "shiro&=
quot; and "mycelium" are synonyms (both meaning a mass of hyphae)=
. Given that, I suspect this might be a case of Okrand telling Lieven
"just transliterate the English word" rather than a pun. Thus, t=
he whole phrase <'atlhqam SIr'o'> probably means "mycelium"=
, with <'atlhqam> included to contextualize the transliterated Englis=
h word (well, Japanese loan-word) "shiro". So it's "fungal s=
hiro"
as opposed to some other kind of shiro (for example, the Ethiopian stew I =
just now learned about while googling "shiro").<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p>
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