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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] ngogh
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (mayqel qunenoS)
Tue Oct 17 05:38:21 2017
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From: mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2017 12:38:17 +0300
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voragh:
> That being said, I still think *tlhoQ* a better choice
I agree. Looking up the meaning of "conglomeration", I understand how it
could be used to express "tumor".
Funny thing.. I knew of this word for quite some time now, but I thought
that it meant "corporation". hahaha ! And I was thinking, why would
klingons have such a word ? Are there corporations on Qo'noS ?
But I guess, if DIvI' Hol isn't your native language, such
misunderstandings are bound to happen.
~nIghma'
On Oct 16, 2017 11:39 PM, "Steven Boozer" <sboozer@uchicago.edu> wrote:
Maltz/Okrand defined *ngogh* as =E2=80=9Ca block or lump or brick=E2=80=9D =
and I assumed
the general shape was a rectangular solid =E2=80=93 which is what they ofte=
n are in
North America -- but we don=E2=80=99t really know what blocks and bricks lo=
ok like
on Kronos. Considering their fascination for triangles and sets of three,
Klingons may well think of something pyramidical. Even the example of *ngo=
gh
tun* doesn=E2=80=99t help as we=E2=80=99ve seen plenty of exotic triangular=
pillows on Trek!
That being said, I still think *tlhoQ* a better choice.
--Voragh
*From:* tlhIngan-Hol [mailto:tlhingan-hol-bounces@lists.kli.org] *On Behalf
Of *mayqel qunenoS
On Oct 16, 2017 17:09, "Voragh" wrote:
mayqel qunenoS:
>> I just noticed that {ngogh} is given as "block, lump, brick".
>> So, because of its "lump" meaning, perhaps it's a good choice in order
>> to express "tumor".
Not unless the tumor resembles a rectangular solid, which seems to be the
general shape:
(Lieven < MO, 9th qepHom'a', 12/2010): A *ngogh* is a block or lump or
brick. He said he's seen humans eating *yuch ngoghmey* and found that
strange.
(KGT 93): A particularly popular dish,* tlhombuS*, requires that the cook
coat a block of *tlhagh* [animal fat] with a mixture of *ngat* (herbed
granulated cartilage) and *tIr* (grain) and then briefly immerse the block
into the already boiling fat, just until the coating hardens.
nIm wIb ngogh cheese (n)
ngogh mutlhwI' bricklayer (n)
ngogh tun pillow (n)
tIr ngogh bread [i.e. a loaf?]
(n)
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<div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:calibri,s=
ans-serif;font-size:15.6933px">voragh:</span><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=
=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:calibri,sans-serif;font-size:15.6933px=
">> That being said, I still think=C2=A0</span><b style=3D"color:rgb(31,=
73,125);font-family:calibri,sans-serif;font-size:15.6933px">tlhoQ</b><span =
style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:calibri,sans-serif;font-size:15.6=
933px">=C2=A0a better choice</span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"c=
olor:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:calibri,sans-serif;font-size:15.6933px"><br=
></span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125);font-fa=
mily:calibri,sans-serif;font-size:15.6933px">I agree. Looking up the meanin=
g of "conglomeration", I understand how it could be used to expre=
ss "tumor".</span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"color:rg=
b(31,73,125);font-family:calibri,sans-serif;font-size:15.6933px"><br></span=
></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:ca=
libri,sans-serif;font-size:15.6933px">Funny thing.. I knew of this word for=
quite some time now, but I thought that it meant "corporation". =
hahaha ! And I was thinking, why would klingons have such a word ? Are ther=
e corporations on Qo'noS ?</span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D=
"color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:calibri,sans-serif;font-size:15.6933px"><=
br></span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125);font-=
family:calibri,sans-serif;font-size:15.6933px">But I guess, if DIvI' Ho=
l isn't your native language, such misunderstandings are bound to happe=
n.</span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125);font-f=
amily:calibri,sans-serif;font-size:15.6933px"><br></span></div><div dir=3D"=
auto"><font color=3D"#1f497d" face=3D"calibri, sans-serif"><span style=3D"f=
ont-size:15.6933px">~nIghma'</span></font></div></div><div class=3D"gma=
il_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Oct 16, 2017 11:39 PM, "St=
even Boozer" <<a href=3D"mailto:sboozer@uchicago.edu">sboozer@uchic=
ago.edu</a>> wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"quote" =
style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple">
<div class=3D"m_-3623621932653795395WordSection1">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Maltz/Okrand defined
<b>ngogh</b> as =E2=80=9Ca block or lump or brick=E2=80=9D and I assumed th=
e general shape was a rectangular solid =E2=80=93 which is what they often =
are in North America -- but we don=E2=80=99t really know what blocks and br=
icks look like on Kronos.=C2=A0 Considering their fascination for triangles
and sets of three, Klingons may well think of something pyramidical.=C2=A0=
Even the example of
<b>ngogh tun</b> doesn=E2=80=99t help as we=E2=80=99ve seen plenty of exoti=
c triangular pillows on Trek!<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">That being said, I still think
<b>tlhoQ</b> a better choice.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">--Voragh<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"=
;Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;=
font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> tlhIngan-Hol [mailto:<a href=
=3D"mailto:tlhingan-hol-bounces@lists.kli.org" target=3D"_blank">tlhingan-h=
ol-bounces@<wbr>lists.kli.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>mayqel qunenoS<br>
<br>
</span><div class=3D"quoted-text">On Oct 16, 2017 17:09, "<span style=
=3D"color:#1f497d">Voragh</span>" wrote:<span style=3D"color:#1f497d">=
<u></u><u></u></span></div></p>
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n 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-=
bottom:5.0pt">
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">mayqel qunenoS:<br>
>> I just noticed that {ngogh} is given as "block, lump, brick&q=
uot;.</span><span style=3D"color:#1f497d"><br>
</span><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans=
-serif;color:#1f497d">>> So, because of its "lump" meaning,=
perhaps it's a good choice in order</span><span style=3D"color:#1f497d=
"><br>
</span><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans=
-serif;color:#1f497d">>> to express "tumor".=C2=A0</span><s=
pan style=3D"color:#1f497d"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Not unless the tumor resembles a rect=
angular solid, which seems to be the general shape:</span><u></u><u></u></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0(Lieven < MO,=C2=A0 9th qepH=
om'a', 12/2010):=C2=A0 A
<b>ngogh</b> is a block or lump or brick. He said he's seen humans eati=
ng <b>yuch ngoghmey</b> and found that strange.</span><span style=3D"color:=
#1f497d"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">(KGT 9=
3):=C2=A0 A particularly popular dish,<b> tlhombuS</b>, requires that the c=
ook coat a block of
<b>tlhagh</b> [animal fat] with a mixture of <b>ngat</b> (herbed granulated=
cartilage) and
<b>tIr</b> (grain) and then briefly immerse the block into the already boil=
ing fat, just until the coating hardens.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">nIm wIb ngogh =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0 cheese (n)<br>
ngogh mutlhwI'=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 bricklayer (n)</span><s=
pan style=3D"color:#1f497d"><br>
</span><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans=
-serif;color:#1f497d">ngogh tun =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0<wbr>=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 pillow (n)</span><sp=
an style=3D"color:#1f497d"><br>
</span><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans=
-serif;color:#1f497d">tIr ngogh =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0bread [i.e. a loa=
f?] (n)</span><span style=3D"color:#1f497d"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&q=
uot;Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">--<div class=3D"quoted-text"><b=
r>
Voragh<br>
Ca'Non Master of the Klingons</div></span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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