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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Expressing "some additional"
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (nIqolay Q)
Sat Oct 14 07:11:16 2017
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Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2017 11:15:01 -0400
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I don't think we know much about the proper arrangement of multiple "number
nouns" like {'op} and {latlh}. I'm not sure there's a significant
difference in meaning between {'op latlh...} "some amount of (additional
new words)" vs. {latlh 'op...} "an additional (unspecified amount of new
words)". Klingons (or at least Okrand) may have a preference, but I don't
think we have enough examples to figure out what the preference is yet.
Personally, I'd probably end up writing {'op latlh}, though not for any
specific grammatical reason. The English word order would make {'op latlh}
the first suggestion to pop into my head, and since it's grammatical I'd
just use that, without considering the reversed order.
(Incidentally, does anyone know what the proper linguistics term is for
"number nouns" like {'op, latlh, Hoch, pagh}, etc.?)
That said, I don't think you even need the {'op}, since {latlh} without a
{-mey} can still technically be singular or plural. {latlh mu'mey chu'} can
mean "one additional new word" but also "more than one additional new
words", which covers the "indeterminate number" idea of {'op} well enough.
(Or, come to think of it, maybe you can drop the {latlh} and keep the
{'op}, since the idea of {mu'mey chu'} would probably adequately convey the
idea that they're additional words.)
As with a lot of stylistic questions in Klingon, the question just comes
down to whichever feels best to you.
On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 5:09 AM, mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
> If we want to say "some additional new words", then which of the two is
> preferable ?
>
> {'op latlh mu'mey chu'}
> or
> {latlh 'op mu'mey chu'} ?
>
> mayqel qun'noS
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>I don't think we know much about the proper arran=
gement of multiple "number nouns" like {'op} and {latlh}. I&#=
39;m not sure there's a significant difference in meaning between {'=
;op latlh...} "some amount of (additional new words)" vs. {latlh =
'op...} "an additional (unspecified amount of new words)". Kl=
ingons (or at least Okrand) may have a preference, but I don't think we=
have enough examples to figure out what the preference is yet. Personally,=
I'd probably end up writing {'op latlh}, though not for any specif=
ic grammatical reason. The English word order would make {'op latlh} th=
e first suggestion to pop into my head, and since it's grammatical I=
9;d just use that, without considering the reversed order.<br></div><div><b=
r></div><div>(Incidentally, does anyone know what the proper linguistics te=
rm is for "number nouns" like {'op, latlh, Hoch, pagh}, etc.?=
)</div><div><br></div><div>That said, I don't think you even need the {=
'op}, since {latlh} without a {-mey} can still technically be singular =
or plural. {latlh mu'mey chu'} can mean "one additional new wo=
rd" but also "more than one additional new words", which cov=
ers the "indeterminate number" idea of {'op} well enough. (Or=
, come to think of it, maybe you can drop the {latlh} and keep the {'op=
}, since the idea of {mu'mey chu'} would probably adequately convey=
the idea that they're additional words.)</div><div><br></div><div>As w=
ith a lot of stylistic questions in Klingon, the question just comes down t=
o whichever feels best to you.<br></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><b=
r><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 5:09 AM, mayqel quneno=
S <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:mihkoun@gmail.com" target=3D"_bla=
nk">mihkoun@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_q=
uote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1e=
x"><div dir=3D"auto">If we want to say "some additional new words"=
;, then which of the two is preferable ?<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div di=
r=3D"auto">{'op latlh mu'mey chu'}</div><div dir=3D"auto">or</d=
iv><div dir=3D"auto">{latlh 'op mu'mey chu'} ?</div><div dir=3D=
"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">mayqel qun'noS</div></div>
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