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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] law' puS construction with law'
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (De'vID)
Sat Oct 14 04:11:13 2017
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From: "De'vID" <de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2017 12:31:27 +0200
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On 11 October 2017 at 18:10, SuStel <sustel@trimboli.name> wrote:
> On 10/11/2017 11:56 AM, Lieven wrote:
>
> Am 11.10.2017 um 17:50 schrieb SuStel:
>
> but here we're not expected to think of this as /many (different)
> electricities./ I don't think *Do law'* would automatically mean /many
> (different) velocities/ just by that logical alone.
>
>
> I don't have canon examples at hand, but I'm sure that {law'} is not only
> "many" but also "much" (bIQ law' - "a lot of water", not "many waters"). So
> with noncountable things like {'ul law'} I don't read it as "many
> electricities", but "much electricity".
>
>
> I looked a bit for *law'* on uncountable nouns, but *'ul* was the only
> one I found.
>
> I don't see how you distinguish between *'ul* being uncountable and *Do*
> being countable.
>
I also think the definition lends {vItlh} to being used with a measurement
itself, where {law'} is more general. And I do see a difference between
{'ul} and {Do}. The former can't be assigned a single number and can be
measured in different ways. For example, {law' 'ul}, but {vItlh voltage} or
{vItlh current}. Similarly, {law' movement} but {vItlh Do}.
If I said {law' Dujmey}, I'm talking about many ships. If I said {vItlh
Dujmey}, what aspect of the ship am I talking about? I'd need to say {vItlh
Dujmey mI'} or {vItlh Dujmey cheb} or something like that.
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te">On 11 October 2017 at 18:10, SuStel <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:sustel@trimboli.name" target=3D"_blank">sustel@trimboli.name</a>></=
span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8e=
x;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div class=3D"m_9102402947913471133moz-cite-prefix">On 10/11/2017 11:56=
AM, Lieven wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type=3D"cite">Am
11.10.2017 um 17:50 schrieb SuStel:
<br>
<blockquote type=3D"cite" style=3D"color:#000000">but here we're =
not
expected to think of this as /many (different) electricities./ I
don't think *Do law'* would automatically mean /many (diffe=
rent)
velocities/ just by that logical alone.
<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
I don't have canon examples at hand, but I'm sure that {law&#=
39;} is
not only "many" but also "much" (bIQ law' - &=
quot;a lot of water", not
"many waters"). So with noncountable things like {'ul l=
aw'} I
don't read it as "many electricities", but "much e=
lectricity".
<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
</span><p>I looked a bit for <b>law'</b> on uncountable nouns, but =
<b>'ul</b>
was the only one I found.</p>
<p>I don't see how you distinguish between <b>'ul</b> being
uncountable and <b>Do</b> being countable.</p></div></blockquote></di=
v><br>I also think the definition lends {vItlh} to being used with a measur=
ement itself, where {law'} is more general. And I do see a difference b=
etween {'ul} and {Do}. The former can't be assigned a single number=
and can be measured in different ways. For example, {law' 'ul}, bu=
t {vItlh voltage} or {vItlh current}. Similarly, {law' movement} but {v=
Itlh Do}.<br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div><div>If I said {law' Dujmey},=
I'm talking about many ships. If I said {vItlh Dujmey}, what aspect of=
the ship am I talking about? I'd need to say {vItlh Dujmey mI'} or=
{vItlh Dujmey cheb} or something like that.</div><div><br></div><div>--=C2=
=A0<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_signature" data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signatu=
re">De'vID</div>
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