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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] One more day
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (nIqolay Q)
Wed Oct 11 04:26:10 2017
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From: nIqolay Q <niqolay0@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2017 12:00:36 -0400
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On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 11:20 AM, SuStel <sustel@trimboli.name> wrote:
>
> If someone were to write *Duj Do'a' Do DoHom vIjuv* for *I measure the
> ship's deceleration,* would I balk? No. I might even use it myself. Do I
> know for sure that it's right? No, but it *feels* right, it doesn't
> violate any rules, and it is unmistakable.
>
It feels right to me too. Mostly, I just wanted to express to mayqel that
it was an unusual phrase that we didn't know the specific details of, and
that there really wasn't a whole lot we knew for sure about the internal
logic of the construction as it relates to other noun constructions.
Just out of curiosity, what kinds of "noun series" modelled along
variations of *beyHom bey bey'a'* would also feel right or wrong to you
(and other Klingonists reading this)?
- Using a *-Hom/-0/-'a'* series in a non-direct-object role, e.g.: *Qe'
chu' luSuchtaH ghomHom ghom ghom'a'* *"Bigger and bigger crowds visited
the new restaurant; the new restaurant drew ever-increasing crowds."*
- Using a different set of suffixes that suggest some other kind of
spectrum, e.g.: *qa'qoq qa'Hey qa' qa'na' vIleghtaH* *"I was dismissive
of the idea at first but I am increasingly certain that I'm seeing an
actual spirit."* (This is an awkward translation.)
- Not using the same base noun but with a series implied anyway,
e.g.: *jajlo'
po pov tlhom puH DujDaj tI'taH **"He worked on his car from dawn to
dusk." *(This example also uses a non-direct-object series, in this case
a series of timestamps.)
- Nouns that only imply a series in context: *'awje' qa'vIn wornagh
DItlhutlhtaH* *"We started with 'root beer', then had coffee, and then
we drank warnog."*
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On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 11:20 AM, SuStel <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"m=
ailto:sustel@trimboli.name" target=3D"_blank">sustel@trimboli.name</a>><=
/span> wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;b=
order-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div text=3D"#000000" bgcolor=
=3D"#FFFFFF"><p>If someone were to write <b>Duj Do'a' Do DoHom vIju=
v</b> for <i>I
measure the ship's deceleration,</i> would I balk? No. I might
even use it myself. Do I know for sure that it's right? No, but i=
t
<i>feels</i> right, it doesn't violate any rules, and it is
unmistakable.<span class=3D"HOEnZb"></span></p></div></blockquote><di=
v>It feels right to me too. Mostly, I just wanted to express to mayqel that=
it was an unusual phrase that we didn't know the specific details of, =
and that there really wasn't a whole lot we knew for sure about the int=
ernal logic of the construction as it relates to other noun constructions.<=
br></div><div><br></div><div>Just out of curiosity, what kinds of "nou=
n series" modelled along variations of <b>beyHom bey bey'a'</b=
> would also feel right or wrong to you (and other Klingonists reading this=
)?<br></div><ul><li>Using a <b>-Hom/-0/-'a'</b> series in a non-dir=
ect-object role, e.g.: <b>Qe' chu' luSuchtaH ghomHom ghom ghom'=
a'</b> <i>"Bigger and bigger crowds visited the new restaurant; th=
e new restaurant drew ever-increasing crowds."</i></li><li>Using a dif=
ferent set of suffixes that suggest some other kind of spectrum, e.g.: <b>q=
a'qoq qa'Hey qa' qa'na' vIleghtaH</b> <i>"I was di=
smissive of the idea at first but I am increasingly certain that I'm se=
eing an actual spirit."</i> (This is an awkward translation.)</li><li>=
Not using the same base noun but with a series implied anyway, e.g.: <b>jaj=
lo' po pov tlhom puH DujDaj tI'taH </b><i>"He worked on his ca=
r from dawn to dusk." </i>(This example also uses a non-direct-object =
series, in this case a series of timestamps.)</li><li>Nouns that only imply=
a series in context: <b>'awje' qa'vIn wornagh DItlhutlhtaH</b>=
<i>"We started with 'root beer', then had coffee, and then we=
drank warnog."</i><br></li></ul><div><br></div></div><br></div></div>
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