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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Saying I'm not there
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (nIqolay Q)
Sat Oct 7 20:51:08 2017
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Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2017 12:33:45 -0400
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Out of those two options, I'm inclined more towards *naDev jIHqa'taHDI'*,
since using pronoun verbs to mean "to be in a place" usually takes the
*-taH* suffix. *jiHqa'DI'* might work better in the sense of something
like *HoD
jIHqa'DI'* *"when I'm captain again".*
You could also try something like *naDev vIcheghpu'DI'* *"when I have
returned here"*. I don't think *jIHqa'taH* is wrong, it's a perfectly
understandable and well-formed verb, but *chegh* is a little more
straightforward and has been used in canon sentences before. Using an
unfamiliar construction like *jIHqa'taH* could draw attention or emphasis
to your phrasing there, which might not be what you want.
It's possible there might be some other difference in connotation between
using *jIHqa'taH* vs. *chegh* that would make using the first construction
preferable. My guess is that the first emphasizes your presence after your
return, while the second emphasizes the return itself. I'm not sure the
difference is so significant that you couldn't just use *chegh* anyway,
unless you were trying to evoke some specific mood rather than just
conveying the notion of "being back here".
On Sat, Oct 7, 2017 at 7:18 AM, mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
> And if we want to say "as soon as I'm here again", then do we write {naDe=
v
> jIHqa'DI'} or {naDev jIHqa'taHDI'} ?
>
> mayqel q
>
> On Oct 6, 2017 8:11 PM, "DloraH" <seruq@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> > I=E2=80=99ve never seen an example of [PRONOUN]be=E2=80=99taH. If any=
thing, pa=E2=80=99
>> jIHbe=E2=80=99taH might mean =E2=80=9CI=E2=80=99m still not there=E2=80=
=9D implying continuous absence over
>> some time.
>>
>> "It's not me that is there."
>>
>> One pulls into their driveway. They see through the windows a
>> silhouette roaming around in the house. The spouse is not supposed to
>> be home yet. They call on the cellphone. "Is that you in the house?"
>> "pa' jIHbe'taH"
>>
>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Out of those two options, I'm inclined more towar=
ds <b>naDev jIHqa'taHDI'</b>, since using pronoun verbs to mean &qu=
ot;to be in a place" usually takes the <b>-taH</b> suffix. <b>jiHqa=
9;DI'</b> might work better in the sense of something like <b>HoD jIHqa=
'DI'</b> <i>"when I'm captain again".</i><br><br></di=
v>You could also try something like <b>naDev vIcheghpu'DI'</b> <i>&=
quot;when I have returned here"</i>. I don't think <b>jIHqa'ta=
H</b> is wrong, it's a perfectly understandable and well-formed verb, b=
ut <b>chegh</b> is a little more straightforward and has been used in canon=
sentences before. Using an unfamiliar construction like <b>jIHqa'taH</=
b> could draw attention or emphasis to your phrasing there, which might not=
be what you want.<br><br>It's possible there might be some other diffe=
rence in connotation between using <b>jIHqa'taH</b> vs. <b>chegh</b> th=
at would make using the first construction preferable. My guess is that the=
first emphasizes your presence after your return, while the second emphasi=
zes the return itself. I'm not sure the difference is so significant th=
at you couldn't just use <b>chegh</b> anyway, unless you were trying to=
evoke some specific mood rather than just conveying the notion of "be=
ing back here".<br><div><div><div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">=C2=A0<br=
><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Oct 7, 2017 at 7:18 AM, mayqel qunenoS =
<span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:mihkoun@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank=
">mihkoun@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quo=
te" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204=
);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto" style=3D"transition: transform 1s eas=
e 0s;">And if we want to say "as soon as I'm here again", the=
n do we write {naDev jIHqa'DI'} or {naDev jIHqa'taHDI'} ?<d=
iv dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">mayqel q</div></div><div class=
=3D"gmail-HOEnZb"><div class=3D"gmail-h5"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><d=
iv class=3D"gmail_quote">On Oct 6, 2017 8:11 PM, "DloraH" <<a =
href=3D"mailto:seruq@bellsouth.net" target=3D"_blank">seruq@bellsouth.net</=
a>> wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" sty=
le=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);paddi=
ng-left:1ex"><br>
> I=E2=80=99ve never seen an example of [PRONOUN]be=E2=80=99taH.=C2=A0 I=
f anything, pa=E2=80=99 jIHbe=E2=80=99taH might mean =E2=80=9CI=E2=80=99m s=
till not there=E2=80=9D implying continuous absence over some time.<br>
<br>
"It's not me that is there."<br>
<br>
One pulls into their driveway.=C2=A0 They see through the windows a<br>
silhouette roaming around in the house.=C2=A0 The spouse is not supposed to=
<br>
be home yet.=C2=A0 They call on the cellphone.=C2=A0 "Is that you in t=
he house?"<br>
"pa' jIHbe'taH"<br>
<br>
<br>
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