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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] qepHom grammar questions
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (qurgh lungqIj)
Fri Oct 6 03:11:11 2017
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From: qurgh lungqIj <qurgh@wizage.net>
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2017 12:33:46 -0400
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On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 12:23 PM, Lawrence M. Schoen <klingonguy@gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 11:46 AM, qurgh lungqIj <qurgh@wizage.net> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 11:41 AM, Lawrence M. Schoen <klingonguy@gmail.com
>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> This makes me wonder how you'd respond to adding the suffix after the
>>> ordinal?
>>>
>>> Thus, *my third ship* - *Duj wejDIchwIj*
>>>
>>
>> You don't posses the "third" though, you posses the ship.
>>
>> DujwIj wejDIch - Out of the collection of ships that are mine, the third
>> one is the topic
>>
>
> You make a compelling argument. And I confess I just popped into the
> middle of this thread so I'll yield to your assertion that "the third one
> is the topic"
>
> And yet, as has been pointed out, a number (in this case, an ordinal
> number) is a noun. So I have to disagree with your point that you "don't
> posses [sic] the "third" though, you posses [sic] the ship."
>
> Duj wejDIchwIj - there are many ships, but third one is mine.
>
To me {wejDIch} isn't a thing that can be owned by someone, it's simply a
way to count things in a list. Putting a possessive on it just seems
strange to my mind.
"My four children" would be {loS puqwI'}. If I label {puqwI'} as the first,
second, third, etc, they are still {puqwI'}, they are just {puqwI' wa'DIch,
puqwI' cha'DIch, puqwI' wejDIch, etc}.
Duj law' tu'lu' 'a Duj wejDIch 'oH DujwIj'e'. - There are many ships, but
the third one is mine.
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On W=
ed, Oct 4, 2017 at 12:23 PM, Lawrence M. Schoen <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:klingonguy@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">klingonguy@gmail.com</=
a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0=
0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br=
><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><span class=3D""=
>On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 11:46 AM, qurgh lungqIj <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:qurgh@wizage.net" target=3D"_blank">qurgh@wizage.net</a>></=
span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8e=
x;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=
=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><span>On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 11=
:41 AM, Lawrence M. Schoen <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:klingong=
uy@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">klingonguy@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<=
blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px=
#ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><=
div class=3D"gmail_quote"><span><div><br></div></span><div>This makes me wo=
nder how you'd respond to adding the suffix after the ordinal?<br><br>T=
hus, <i>my third ship</i>=C2=A0-=C2=A0<b>Duj wejDIchwIj</b>=C2=A0</div></di=
v></div></div></blockquote></span><div><br>You don't posses the "t=
hird" though, you posses the ship.</div><div><br></div><div>DujwIj wej=
DIch - Out of the collection of ships that are mine, the third one is the t=
opic</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div>You mak=
e a compelling argument. And I confess I just popped into the middle of thi=
s thread so I'll yield to your assertion that "the third one is th=
e topic"<br><br>And yet, as has been pointed out, a number (in this ca=
se, an ordinal number) is a noun. So I have to disagree with your point tha=
t you "don't posses [sic] the "third" though, you posses=
[sic] the ship."<br><br>Duj wejDIchwIj - there are many ships, but th=
ird one is mine.<br></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br>To me {we=
jDIch} isn't a thing that can be owned by someone, it's simply a wa=
y to count things in a list. Putting a possessive on it just seems strange =
to my mind.</div><div><br></div><div>"My four children" would be =
{loS puqwI'}. If I label {puqwI'} as the first, second, third, etc,=
they are still {puqwI'}, they are just {puqwI' wa'DIch, puqwI&=
#39; cha'DIch, puqwI' wejDIch, etc}.<br><br><br>Duj law' tu'=
;lu' 'a Duj wejDIch 'oH DujwIj'e'. - There are many shi=
ps, but the third one is mine.=C2=A0</div><div><br><br><br></div></div></di=
v></div>
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