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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] What Maltz does: {'otHa'}
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (De'vID)
Sat Sep 30 19:05:58 2017
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Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2017 00:41:59 +0200
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On 28 September 2017 at 19:38, SuStel <sustel@trimboli.name> wrote:
> Whatever the verb is, we've got a few of them in Klingon.
>
> *tagh*
>
>
> *taghbej mu'qaDveS **Curse warfare has definitely begun. *(CK)
> *Qu' DataghDI' 'aqtu' mellota' je tIqaw*
> * When you begin a mission, remember Aktuh and Melota. *(TKW)
>
> *mev*
>
>
> *not mev peghmey **Secrets never cease. *(PK)
>
>
> *bIjatlh 'e' yImev **Shut up!* (PK)
>
> *meQ*
>
>
> *Ha'DIbaHmey meQ Sop 'e' tIv tera'nganpu' **Terrans enjoy eating burnt
> animals.* (CK, but notice the missing *lu-* on *tIv*)
>
>
> *to'waQ meQ vutwI' **The cook burns the tendon.* (KGT)
>
> And you've noticed *pegh.* There may be others I can't remember right
> now. There are also a lot of verbs whose transitivity we don't know, like
> *DIng* *spin *and *chagh** drop.*
>
Some other verbs of this type (where the presence or absence of an object
changes the role of the subject) that I know of are:
{Don} v. be parallel, go parallel to
{ghom} v. meet, encounter, assemble, rendezvous
{So'} v. hide, cloak
There are also homophonous pairs like {SaH} (where it likely means "be
present" without an object and "to care about" the object when there is
one) but I think those cases are really pairs of verbs which happen to
sound the same.
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te">On 28 September 2017 at 19:38, SuStel <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"=
mailto:sustel@trimboli.name" target=3D"_blank">sustel@trimboli.name</a>>=
</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px=
0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<div class=3D"gmail-m_5381979635292971946moz-cite-prefix">Whatever the =
verb is, we've got a few of them in Klingon.<br></div></span>
<p><b>tagh</b></p>
<blockquote>
<p><b>taghbej mu'qaDveS<br>
</b><i>Curse warfare has definitely begun. </i>(CK)</p>
<b>Qu' DataghDI' 'aqtu' mellota' je tIqaw</b><i><=
br>
When you begin a mission, remember Aktuh and Melota. </i>(TKW)</blo=
ckquote>
<p><b>mev</b></p>
<blockquote>
<p><b>not mev peghmey<br>
</b><i>Secrets never cease. </i>(PK)</p>
<p><b>bIjatlh 'e' yImev<br>
</b><i>Shut up!</i> (PK)</p>
</blockquote>
<p><b>meQ</b></p>
<blockquote>
<p><b>Ha'DIbaHmey meQ Sop 'e' tIv tera'nganpu'<br=
>
</b><i>Terrans enjoy eating burnt animals.</i> (CK, but notice
the missing <b>lu-</b> on <b>tIv</b>)</p>
<p><b>to'waQ meQ vutwI'<br>
</b><i>The cook burns the tendon.</i> (KGT)</p>
</blockquote>
<p>And you've noticed <b>pegh.</b> There may be others I can't
remember right now. There are also a lot of verbs whose
transitivity we don't know, like <b>DIng</b> <i>spin </i>and <b>c=
hagh</b><i>
drop.</i></p></div></blockquote></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">So=
me other verbs of this type (where the presence or absence of an object cha=
nges the role of the subject) that I know of are:</div><div class=3D"gmail_=
extra"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">{Don} v.=C2=A0be parallel, go p=
arallel to</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">{ghom} v.=C2=A0<span style=3D"co=
lor:rgb(0,0,0)">meet, encounter, assemble, rendezvous</span></div><div clas=
s=3D"gmail_extra"><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0)">{So'} v. hide, cloak=
</span></div><div><br></div><div>There are also homophonous pairs like {SaH=
} (where it likely means "be present" without an object and "=
;to care about" the object when there is one) but I think those cases =
are really pairs of verbs which happen to sound the same.</div><div><br></d=
iv>-- <br><div class=3D"gmail_signature">De'vID</div>
</div></div>
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