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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Hech
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (SuStel)
Sat Sep 30 05:50:57 2017
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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2017 13:23:14 -0400
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On 9/29/2017 1:12 PM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
> The verb {Hech} is given as "intend, mean to".
>
> However I wonder.. does it always have to have the meaning "mean to" ?
>
> For example, can we say:
>
> {{juH} vIHechbe'; {jul} vIHech}
> I didn't mean {juH}, I meant {jul}
Everyone uses it that way, but I'm not so sure. I think the object of
*Hech* is a thing you intended to happen or to do, not a thing you
intended to say or write. Saying and writing are things you do, but they
require their own sentences; the actual content is not something you do.
We know that *'e' Hech* is perfectly legal. *Hem tlhIngan Segh 'ej
maHemtaH 'e' wIHech*/Klingons are a proud race, and we intend to go on
being proud./ (TKW) There is one other *'e' Hech* example in TKW, and no
other examples of *Hech* elsewhere at all.
I would expect saying or doing to be /*juH*/*vIghItlh 'e' vIHechbe';
/juH/ vIghItlh 'e' vIHech.* I'm on the fence whether saying would
require a sentence-as-object-as-object: /*juH*/*jIjatlh 'e' vIHechbe';
/jul/ jIjatlh 'e' vIHech* or whether a single word doesn't need to be
treated as a quotation because it's not exactly a sentence anyway.
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/29/2017 1:12 PM, mayqel qunenoS
wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:CAP7F2cL23VeZUQkNpefZ9MbhwSDDsAYqZL04WsiAg-82xU-yTw@mail.gmail.com">The
verb {Hech} is given as "intend, mean to".
<div dir="auto"><br>
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<div dir="auto">However I wonder.. does it always have to have the
meaning "mean to" ?</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">For example, can we say:</div>
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<div dir="auto">{{juH} vIHechbe'; {jul} vIHech}</div>
<div dir="auto">I didn't mean {juH}, I meant {jul}</div>
</blockquote>
<p>Everyone uses it that way, but I'm not so sure. I think the
object of <b>Hech</b> is a thing you intended to happen or to do,
not a thing you intended to say or write. Saying and writing are
things you do, but they require their own sentences; the actual
content is not something you do.</p>
<p>We know that <b>'e' Hech</b> is perfectly legal. <b>Hem
tlhIngan Segh 'ej maHemtaH 'e' wIHech</b><i> Klingons are a
proud race, and we intend to go on being proud.</i> (TKW) There
is one other <b>'e' Hech</b> example in TKW, and no other
examples of <b>Hech</b> elsewhere at all.<br>
</p>
<p>I would expect saying or doing to be <i><b>juH</b></i><b>
vIghItlh 'e' vIHechbe'; <i>juH</i> vIghItlh 'e' vIHech.</b> I'm
on the fence whether saying would require a
sentence-as-object-as-object: <i><b>juH</b></i><b> jIjatlh 'e'
vIHechbe'; <i>jul</i> jIjatlh 'e' vIHech</b> or whether a
single word doesn't need to be treated as a quotation because it's
not exactly a sentence anyway.<br>
</p>
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