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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] What Maltz does: {'otHa'}
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Fri Sep 29 04:56:28 2017
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On 9/28/2017 1:26 PM, André Müller wrote:
> I think ambitransitive isn't the right word here. Ambitransitive verbs
> can be intransitive or transitive, like {Soj vISop} vs. {jISop}. This
> one reminds me more of Chinese and Thai in which some verbs are their
> own causative verb. But I cannot remember the correct term for this
> type of verb...
>
> - André
>
> 2017-09-28 19:21 GMT+02:00 kechpaja <kechpaja@comcast.net
> <mailto:kechpaja@comcast.net>>:
>
> On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 05:06:45PM +0000, Steven Boozer wrote:
> > SEE ALSO:
> > pegh keep something secret, be secret, classified (v)
>
> Wait, does this mean that {pegh} is ambitransitive? Klingon seems to
> have very few verbs of that type, so I figure it would be worth
> explicitly checking.
>
Whatever the verb is, we've got a few of them in Klingon.
*tagh*
*taghbej mu'qaDveS
*/Curse warfare has definitely begun. /(CK)
*Qu' DataghDI' 'aqtu' mellota' je tIqaw*/
When you begin a mission, remember Aktuh and Melota. /(TKW)
*mev*
*not mev peghmey
*/Secrets never cease. /(PK)
*bIjatlh 'e' yImev
*/Shut up!/ (PK)
*meQ*
*Ha'DIbaHmey meQ Sop 'e' tIv tera'nganpu'
*/Terrans enjoy eating burnt animals./ (CK, but notice the missing
*lu-* on *tIv*)
*to'waQ meQ vutwI'
*/The cook burns the tendon./ (KGT)
And you've noticed *pegh.* There may be others I can't remember right
now. There are also a lot of verbs whose transitivity we don't know,
like *DIng* /spin /and *chagh*/drop./
And maybe, just maybe, Klingons aren't quite so rigorous with their
transitivity as we are.
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/28/2017 1:26 PM, André Müller
wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CABDLMbXE0AwCDPyFLcKMpe3BSg6vDEOzDRXAmPH-+VifnmLYxg@mail.gmail.com">
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<div>I think ambitransitive isn't the right word here.
Ambitransitive verbs can be intransitive or transitive, like
{Soj vISop} vs. {jISop}. This one reminds me more of Chinese
and Thai in which some verbs are their own causative verb. But
I cannot remember the correct term for this type of verb...<br>
<br>
</div>
- André<br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">2017-09-28 19:21 GMT+02:00 kechpaja <span
dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kechpaja@comcast.net"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">kechpaja@comcast.net</a>></span>:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span
class="">On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 05:06:45PM +0000, Steven
Boozer wrote:<br>
> SEE ALSO:<br>
> pegh keep something secret, be secret,
classified (v)<br>
<br>
</span>Wait, does this mean that {pegh} is ambitransitive?
Klingon seems to<br>
have very few verbs of that type, so I figure it would be
worth<br>
explicitly checking.</blockquote>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<p>Whatever the verb is, we've got a few of them in Klingon.<br>
</p>
<p><b>tagh</b></p>
<blockquote>
<p><b>taghbej mu'qaDveS<br>
</b><i>Curse warfare has definitely begun. </i>(CK)</p>
<b>Qu' DataghDI' 'aqtu' mellota' je tIqaw</b><i><br>
When you begin a mission, remember Aktuh and Melota. </i>(TKW)</blockquote>
<p><b>mev</b></p>
<blockquote>
<p><b>not mev peghmey<br>
</b><i>Secrets never cease. </i>(PK)</p>
<p><b>bIjatlh 'e' yImev<br>
</b><i>Shut up!</i> (PK)</p>
</blockquote>
<p><b>meQ</b></p>
<blockquote>
<p><b>Ha'DIbaHmey meQ Sop 'e' tIv tera'nganpu'<br>
</b><i>Terrans enjoy eating burnt animals.</i> (CK, but notice
the missing <b>lu-</b> on <b>tIv</b>)</p>
<p><b>to'waQ meQ vutwI'<br>
</b><i>The cook burns the tendon.</i> (KGT)</p>
</blockquote>
<p>And you've noticed <b>pegh.</b> There may be others I can't
remember right now. There are also a lot of verbs whose
transitivity we don't know, like <b>DIng</b> <i>spin </i>and <b>chagh</b><i>
drop.</i></p>
<p>And maybe, just maybe, Klingons aren't quite so rigorous with
their transitivity as we are.<br>
</p>
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