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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Marc Okrand talking about DSC (spoilerfree)
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (SuStel)
Thu Sep 28 05:00:30 2017
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Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2017 20:24:00 -0400
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On 9/27/2017 7:08 PM, Felix Malmenbeck wrote:
>
> > But if you always do that, they're not really *mu'mey ru'.* You're taking the exceptions
> to the
>
> > language and applying them generally, while telling yourself that you're not
> really doing that.
>
> I don't really think that's true, unless it catches on in a big way
> and starts being considered "correct" to some extent, or was treated
> as an ordinary expression. It seems to match the definition of {mu'mey
> ru'}:
>
>
> "Sometimes words or phrases are coined for a specific occasion,
> intentionally violating grammatical rules in order to have an impact.
> Usually these are never heard again, though some gain currency and
> might as well be classified as slang. Klingon grammarians call such
> forms {mu'mey ru'} ("temporary words")."
>
>
> I'll confess that when I first used this construction, I didn't
> realize that it was ungrammatical, so that was just a {Qaghna'}. Now I
> know, however, and intend to go on using it :)
>
If your "special occasion" is "anytime I want to use aspect and *-jaj,*"
then the rule is completely abandoned. When would you /not/ do it?
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/27/2017 7:08 PM, Felix Malmenbeck
wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:1506553698756.27026@kth.se">
<p><span style="background-color:white;">> But if you always do
that, they're not really
<strong>mu'mey ru'.</strong> You're taking the exceptions to
the<br>
</span></p>
<p><span style="background-color:white;">> language and
applying them generally, while telling yourself that you're
not really doing that.<br>
<br>
</span></p>
<p><span style="background-color:white;">I don't really think
that's true, unless it catches on in a big way and starts
being considered "correct" to some extent, or was treated as
an ordinary expression. It seems to match the definition of
{mu'mey ru'}:<br>
</span></p>
<p><span style="background-color:white;"><br>
</span></p>
<p><span style="background-color:white;"></span>"Sometimes words
or phrases are coined for a specific occasion, intentionally
violating grammatical rules in order to have an impact. Usually
these are never heard again, though some gain currency and might
as well be classified as slang. Klingon grammarians call such
forms {mu'mey ru'} ("temporary words")."</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>I'll confess that when I first used this construction, I didn't
realize that it was ungrammatical, so that was just a {Qaghna'}.
Now I know, however, and intend to go on using it :)
</p>
</blockquote>
<p>If your "special occasion" is "anytime I want to use aspect and <b>-jaj,</b>"
then the rule is completely abandoned. When would you <i>not</i>
do it?<br>
</p>
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