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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Marc Okrand talking about DSC (spoilerfree)
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Felix Malmenbeck)
Thu Sep 28 04:59:55 2017
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From: Felix Malmenbeck <felixm@kth.se>
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Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2017 13:25:00 +0000
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>> It's worth noting that so do =ABwo' DevtaHjaj ghawran=BB and =ABwo' ghaw=
ran
>> DevtaHjaj=BB, which are used in KGT to illustrate toast grammar.
>
> As you say, these are exceptions used in toasts, so that doesn't count.
I don't believe the first example is meant to be an exception; according to=
KGT:
"If uttered as a wish, hope, or aspiration - but not as a toast - the norma=
l word order applies: {wo' DevtaHjaj ghawran} ("May Gowron continue to lead=
the empire")."
It might still be an error, though.
Personally, I like to use phrases such as {X-ta'jaj X-taHbogh Hoch.} to wis=
h people success. I'm fine with those being {mu'mey ru'}, though.
> Or you just turn on the Klingon subtitles to check the spelling. :-)
Did you have access to the script for the Klingon lines? I was under the im=
pression you had to listen and transcribe.
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Subject: Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Marc Okrand talking about DSC (spoilerfree)
Am 27.09.2017 um 03:27 schrieb Felix Malmenbeck:
> It's worth noting that so do =ABwo' DevtaHjaj ghawran=BB and =ABwo' ghawr=
an
> DevtaHjaj=BB, which are used in KGT to illustrate toast grammar.
As you say, these are exceptions used in toasts, so that doesn't count.
> ...and an even stronger indication is that when I transcribed the phrase
> as *tlhIngan maHtaHjaj* earlier this year, Qov pointed out the vs7 +
> -jaj rule to me. Now that we know she wrote it, that probably means
> there should indeed be a space in there :P
Or you just turn on the Klingon subtitles to check the spelling. :-)
--
Lieven L. Litaer
aka Quvar valer 'utlh
Grammarian of the KLI
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