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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Expressing Anno Domini
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (qurgh lungqIj)
Sat Sep 23 04:11:56 2017
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From: qurgh lungqIj <qurgh@wizage.net>
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2017 15:15:24 -0400
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On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 2:55 PM, SuStel <sustel@trimboli.name> wrote:
> On 9/22/2017 2:35 PM, qurgh lungqIj wrote:
>
> I feel that same way about AD/BC. If you are a Christian, or familiar with
> Christendom, then those terms make sense. If you aren't familiar with that
> religion, then you'd have to Google this "Christ" person to figure out that
> the dates have something to do with when some people claim he was born.
> Since Greek culture is heavily Christian it makes sense for you, but for
> someone in a non-Christian culture, they won't know what you are talking
> about. There's even some cultures on Earth that don't use the AD/CE-BC/BCE
> calendar at all.
>
> And yet the Skybox cards call their dates *tera' DIS,* as if they are
> used by the whole planet.
>
> As children, most Americans have no idea what A.D. stands for, and some
> don't know what B.C. stands for. That doesn't stop them from saying *AD*
> and *BC,* though. *CE* and *BCE* are largely reserved for publications,
> and then only the more scholarly sorts. You don't need to know anything
> about Christ or Christianity to use *AD* or *BC*, or to use Christ as an
> epoch.
>
> Keeping time is largely a matter of convention, not logic. You don't need
> to understand conventions to use them
>
Yup, the Skybox cards made an assumption and a generalization as well. Just
the same way as the generalization of "Federation Standard" means everyone
speaks English.
As someone who works directly with an American school system I know for a
fact that they teach children these days to use CE and BCE only. They don't
teach them AD and BC at all anymore. If you don't know your calendar has
something to do with Christ, then using the name "Christ" in your date
isn't useful.
Keeping time is a matter of convention, and while you don't need to
understand a convention to use it, you do need to understand a convention
to translate it into something that can be used by another culture. If you
go to Iran, for example, you'd need to know the difference between the
convention of the Gregorian calendar and the convention of the Solar Hijri
calendar to be able to communicate when things happened in the past.
As I said before, I'm not trying to get anyone to use a specific date
system, just to be aware that if you use religious terminology in your
dates that some people may not understand.
qurgh
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ri, Sep 22, 2017 at 2:55 PM, SuStel <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto=
:sustel@trimboli.name" target=3D"_blank">sustel@trimboli.name</a>></span=
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<div class=3D"gmail-m_2740769055347415846moz-cite-prefix">On 9/22/2017 =
2:35 PM, qurgh lungqIj
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">I
feel that same way about AD/BC. If you are a Christian, or
familiar with Christendom, then those terms make sense. If you
aren't familiar with that religion, then you'd have to Google=
this
"Christ" person to figure out that the dates have something=
to do
with when some people claim he was born. Since Greek culture is
heavily Christian it makes sense for you, but for someone in a
non-Christian culture, they won't know what you are talking about=
.
There's even some cultures on Earth that don't use the
AD/CE-BC/BCE calendar at all.=C2=A0</blockquote>
</span><p>And yet the Skybox cards call their dates <b>tera' DIS,</=
b> as
if they are used by the whole planet.</p>
<p>As children, most Americans have no idea what A.D. stands for,
and some don't know what B.C. stands for. That doesn't stop t=
hem
from saying <i>AD</i> and <i>BC,</i> though. <i>CE</i> and <i>BCE</i>
are largely reserved for publications, and then only the more
scholarly sorts. You don't need to know anything about Christ or
Christianity to use <i>AD</i> or <i>BC</i>, or to use Christ as
an epoch.</p>
<p>Keeping time is largely a matter of convention, not logic. You
don't need to understand conventions to use them</p></div></block=
quote><div><br></div><div>Yup, the Skybox cards made an assumption and a ge=
neralization as well. Just the same way as the generalization of "Fede=
ration Standard" means everyone speaks English.=C2=A0<br><br>As someon=
e who works directly with an American school system I know for a fact that =
they teach children these days to use CE and BCE only. They don't teach=
them AD and BC at all anymore. If you don't know your calendar has som=
ething to do with Christ, then using the name "Christ" in your da=
te isn't useful.=C2=A0<br><br>Keeping time is a matter of convention, a=
nd while you don't need to understand a convention to use it, you do ne=
ed to understand a convention to translate it into something that can be us=
ed by another culture. If you go to Iran, for example, you'd need to kn=
ow the difference between the convention of the=C2=A0Gregorian calendar and=
the convention of the Solar Hijri calendar to be able to communicate when =
things happened in the past.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>As I said befor=
e, I'm not trying to get anyone to use a specific date system, just to =
be aware that if you use religious terminology in your dates that some peop=
le may not understand.=C2=A0<br><br>qurgh<br><br><br></div></div></div></di=
v>
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